I was in a FPC event in 2010 in the ball room a kid missclicked by raising to 5k w a grey chip that he thought was a 500 purple chip and i moved in w 1010 after he stated he was color blind he tank called to my surprise i opened my hand and walked away from the table vs KQ off i didnt want to watch.My opponent lost the hand and demanded my hand was dead for walking away from the table.Two tourney directors ruled my hand dead i was furious i demanded to speak with richard toth he was paged to the ball room apx 20 min wait to tell them my hand was live.Foxwoods has some crazy rullings and are very inconsistent.Brag i ended up shiping the whole tourney for 15k

which event ?

LH
2 - 4 1 Point
4 - 8 1 Point
5 - 10 1 Point
10 - 20 1.5 Points
20 - 40+ 2 Points

NLH & PLO
1 - 2 1.5 Points
2 - 5 1.5 Points
5 - 10 + 2 Points

Stud
1 - 3 1 Point
1 - 5 1 Point
5 - 10 1 Point
10 - 20 1.5 Points
20 - 40+ 2 Points

Omaha (or Omaha 8 or Better)
4 - 8 1 Point
5 - 10 1 Point
10 - 20 1.5 Points
20 - 40+ 2 Points

Mixed
< 5 - 10 1 Point
10 - 20 1.5 Points
20 - 40 2 Points

haven't been down in awhile, gotta get my sweet new rewards card. Had free rooms this week sun-thurs but was too late booking to capitooolize.

Want to play the 1K on wednesday.....verrrry tempted (bankroll management?) what am i saying, i don't even have a bankroll, thats why i work!

I just witnessed this.......2-5 nl game....Seat 1 had an unprotected hand pulled into the muck by the dealer after he bet $100 on the turn. Seat 2(not in the hand) pointed to 2 cards and said I think those were his. I asked for the floor. The floor came over and he allowed seat 1 to whisper to him his cards. The cards he said matched the cards pulled from the muck. Play was allowed to continue...... Thoughts?

They need more aware and competent dealers. After so many mistakes and complaints of dealer errors and awareness, they should be on rest room detail. If these dealers were upstairs dealing table games and making mistakes with the houses money, they wouldn't hold position for too long. Job Security...

Also have seen this before, I believe hand should have been retrieved. If you think player's fault for not protecting, a dealer can easily kill any hand you are not holding. I've seen hands killed that had chip protectors on them. If you let go of your card and go to your stack to make bet, you open up to being killed.

But here's a shady view on why dealers should be held accountable. If your in a pot you have money at risk, depending on whats stakes, could be a lot. So you are vulnerable to dealers actions. Specifically financially. Anyway, I could be a dealer and dealing at a table with a close friend or someone that has informed me that they will give me a cut of a big pot, where they have signaled me to kill opponents hand. It could be for a players whole stack. Deeper no-limit games can cost a lot. Player could shove in on river, my accomplice has missed and signaled for that kill the hand move. My accomplice could distract all-in player to look away or something and I move in for the kill.

A shady view, but very possible. Cheating with no repercussion at all.

yes thats right because when you complain about it and they go to the cameras earning 20% of that pot after the rotation is definitely worth losing the dealers job and gaming license. I'm not saying dealers dont make mistakes, i've never gone a shift and doubt i ever will where I dont make a mistake. thats why its the players responsibility. if the player makes a mistake, and the dealer makes a mistake, we get into these situations. I know mucked hands are a touchy topic for you right now though and its understandable.

That is a new and different ruling though that i've never heard of. I'll have to think on how i feel about that. Never a dull moment at foxwoods for sure - i wish floors had a monthly staff meeting to discuss the rulings and different situations they ran into so at least that way the rulings would become more consistent.

There's about a zero % chance a dealer will lose his jobs because of poor performance. As long as there is a union the only way a dealer could get fired is if they didn't show up.

Hand should be dead. Protect your hand!

That pretty much sums it up to the situation you told us, dealer tries his best at protecting the game and action in order of play.. All he/she (seat 1) had to do was basically protect the "unprotected hand" IMO

What is up with the 1k being the day before the 500 6 max. I know alot of people would want to play both and if you do well in the 1k you cant run the 6 max. Dumb schedule

if you make FT of the 6m will you still be able to get in the ME?

I don't see why not, 6max might be down to like 20 players by end of days play i would think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bCkWkOdQyk

I know who he is too, thats funny.

"Where's my AK? AK wins? AK! AK!" hahah

According to the site the 6m is 1 day

Yes, in theory I suppose you could do this, but this just isn't very likely to be anyone's preferred way of cheating. And how many times do you think this could be done with no one noticing and with "no repercussions"? There's nothing wrong with healthy suspicion in poker, but I don't think this particular scenario is likely to be cheating.
And just how, exactly, would you propose to hold dealers "accountable" for making simple mistakes (which do happen often)? Fire them for a single error? Make them pay out of pocket? Neither of these is realistic.
Dealers should get written up or replaced if they're constantly making mistakes, but this isn't much comfort if you're the guy who lost serious $ on this one hand.
Dealers, even the best, do make mistakes, players should learn to protect their hands. I'm not making excuses for truly weak dealers, but this is simply reality.
FWIW, when FW has major tournaments, they need to roughly double the number of regular dealers, or more (a 600-runner tournament by itself uses about as many dealers as the cash games use at their busiest). This requires that a lot of dealers get pulled in from table games to deal poker. Some are fine, many are not. It also draws a lot of poker players who never play at FW at any other time, and when they encounter the fillin dealers, they form an unfairly low opinion of FW's regular poker dealers. (Sort of like the dealers at the WSOP.)

Very well said! +1

anyone play in th 10/20 OE game i saw listed yesterday? how was it, how long did it run? has it been running at all lately? thanks for any help

i couldn't have said it any better. Its not like foxwoods is surrounded by other casinos like in vegas and can hire temp dealers (who deal all the time somewhere else) for the bigger tournaments. the seasonals and table games dealers can go months without dealing a game of poker. You can't really expect them to be as proficient as those who deal every day.

This seems to be heading away from a foxwoods discussion into a discussion on dealer accountability though so lets just close her up and move onto the main event coming up. Anyone entering?

OK, so there was no 2/5 must move yesterday so our game was short alot. Anytime that a game got 5 or 6 handed and threatened to break, even though there were plenty of seats at other tables that would accomodate them, the floor just told them players were coming and had them "lock up seats" for players that took 30 minutes to get there. Frustrating.

Is there a rulebook that players can read that lists in detail all the policies and rules of foxwoods poker?

I just saw a ruling last night at 5-10nl that they literally stopped the game for 15+ minutes arguing over. Basically a player was faced with a bet on the river and quietly said call and proceeded to flip his cards face up towards the middle of the table. The dealer who did not hear him say call for some reason grabbed and mucked this face up hand. The other player seeing his opponents cards mucked then mucked his own hand.

The second player was awarded the pot. This ruling makes no sense whatsoever and is beyond atrocious. It was also laughably obvious that the floors themselves were not confident with their own ruling, but just wanted the game to move on.



This is an even more extreme example of what people were talking about before about how easy it would be to have a dealer who was friends with a player to cheat. In this case the player verbally said call and then tabled his hand( the 3rd nuts facing a small to medium bet) only to have his hand mucked. What is preventing me from paying one of my broke buddies to train to get hired to be a dealer at foxwoods and then issuing a 100k headsup match to another player and have my buddy muck my opponents cards in an allin pot? As long as he says he did not hear him say call its all cool apparently....

EDIT HMMMM I guess after thinking about it again the floor really had no choice since the second player also mucked his hand I guess. Pretty much a HUGE **** up on the dealers part

Any1 goin to be down here thursday? Lookin to get a PLO hi game goin. Any chances of that running?

I mean i guess he should have pushed his chips forward instead of verbalizing. That leaves out the possibility of an angleshoot. If you are going to verbalize your action make it clear obv. Especially in a game like that.

But at the same time I hope they would make the ruling EVERY time along with others. It's crazy to hear that different rulings occur in the same room imo.