ok, you donkeys, I am heading to the tourney previously known as ............

I absolutely kill these games, especially when it gets deeper. Im just being realistic with achievable winrates at a table with multiple 20bb stacks. You need cards to beat them, and at 30 dealt hands per hour you arent getting much to beat up on them with.

When I get home Ill try to prove mathematically how low of a winrate / edge one has at these tables,as I think you really are overestimating possible edge on the typical 20bb rebuyer.Btw you dont have to resort to personal attacks at a different view especially in live poker where variance really obscures judgment.

The 2-5NL is very beatable. I don't think this is in question for good players. But how many are making more than $25/ hour in the game though over the course of 1500+ hours a year? In other words not just 'peak' hours. My guess is not more than 10-15 players. $25/hour is barely enough to make a living, I think. (Which is more like $40/hour after time, tips & bad beat expense).

I just think a slight adjustment upward in both buy-ins would make the game a lot better and would not scare too many people away. There is are already a lot of big stacks on these games and plenty of guys buying in for $200 & $300 still sit so why wouldnt they if there was 10%-20% more chips on the game?

There has got be a $ amount where the $5-10 is not impacted and the opportunity to make more money in $2-$5 is increased.

As I said earlier, Mohegan Sun's $2-5NL is a really nice game with their $200-$800 buy-in. I think a $200-$700 seems about the right number. This would not hurt the $5-$10 or scare players from the $2-$5 but put a little more money on the table.

*And just for the record. I'm speaking from a decent amount of experience. I've logged about 4000 2-5 hrs & 1000 5-10 hrs at Borg.

Btw, how do poker room rate offers work on the My Borgata page?

I took a break from live poker for about 1.5 years and when I logged in I still had the poker rate room offer, as well as a free room offer.

I started playing this month and logged about 100 hours, and suddenly I don't have the poker rate offer anymore (still have free room offer). Kind of counter intuitive...

I am wondering this also. I played literally 20 hours in 2 days staying Fri-Sat but I still don't get an offer of a poker rate for Saturday. How much do you have to play to get a Saturday poker rate?

I do not see any reason to raise the 2-5 NL mins and maxes. Why? Because we offer 3-5 NL with a $200 min and a $1000 Max. We put it on the board occasionally but the game never goes.

Stan

Is there a reason to offer both 2/5 and 3/5 rather than just one of them ?

SERIOUSLY ?! I have never seen this on the board, but if you should put up 3/5 NL 200min 1000max, next time i come to borgata i will put my name up, u should games should start off anyway because people are always waiting for 2/5 games right... this game should fill up if people are waiting anyway.

you should leave that game on board all the time 24/7.

@throwbackz, are you coming down for the **nameless event** tonight or all day/night tomorrow? Count me in for a deep stack 1/3 or 3/5 game here...

I'll be down tomorrow and Wednesday, would love to get a goofy mixed game going of some sort....some sort of combo that would be nontraditional and fun.

Anybody planning on playing the Junkies Poker Open on May 20? I am going to be in town for it. I hear it is a wild time and the $260+40 buyin doesn't look too bad.

+EV

Maybe try it again but I think it's not going because it's a limit people are not familiar with. Maybe try $5-$5?

I still prefer raising the buy-in slightly on the existing $2-$5. Most everyone would go along with it and it would not damage the game.

If you think it would I'd like to hear your reasons why Stan?
Thanks.

The reason to up the buy-in for the regular 2/5 game is exactly that the 3/5 never goes. 2/5 is the standard game for that stake. Even if the 3/5 went, I doubt very many fish would want to sit in it. This is actually kind of similar to the Pokerstars buy-in changes and how many people have a problem with them not labeling the tables. Making 2/5 "standard" and 3/5 "deep" essentially, and no one wants to play the non standard game.

200-800 or 150-750 both seem like good numbers for 2/5, but it doesn't matter because it's never going to happen.

On another note, the BBJ rake of $1 should be taken at $50, not $20. Taking it at $50 makes it taken at 10 big blinds, which matches both 1/2 and 5/10, as opposed to at 4 big blinds, which means the 2/5 games put comparatively more into the BBJ than either 1/2 or 5/10.

I agree.

And I reiterate. Raising the buy-in on the $2-$5NL will also help replenish the money that the bad beat rake extracts from the table.

I'm completely fine with the BBJ tax as often times gamblers will only play for the BBJ and donk off $100s every 10 minutes...

I'm fine with a 5/5 game running that will attract a tougher crowd and for me to just sit in at the 2/5 game with easier folk who buy in for $300.

Remember the point is to achieve a higher win rate... having a deeper-stacked max-buy in might not lead to that; higher variance maybe but probably not a higher win rate...

Though I would love to see a 2/5 NL and PLO game running... I played this past Friday and was disappointed to find no PLO games =(. I'll be at the Borgata this entire weekend so hopefully it'll happen this time around.

Neither of those 2 are true

Edit....also Stan is telling you that there's a $5 BB deep stack option. 3-5 NL 200-1K. If everyone wants it, why has it gone like 3 time total in the last 6 months?

A great interested no limit game to play is stud hi/low (with NO qualifier - basically stud/razz mix)

because it's not the standard game. if it was the standard game, and 2/5 was "shallow" or some such, it would go more often.

I am not even playing devils advocate. I play the 2-5...it's not gonna go to 1K, nor would it last/be as popular as deep stack.

Next time you are there, start a 3-5 deep list. They will 100% put it on the board. Then, ask them to announce it....they will 100% do it.

"We have a list for 3-5 NLHE....this our deepstack option. 200Min...1K max"

I promise they will do this....every 15 mins for an hour even...

They also won't get the game off. Or it will run one table 6-7 handed for 3-4 hours and die.

Oh, and all 7 players won't be in for 1K each. Expect to without question see $400, $500....$600 buy ins.

i dont think the blinds are a problem, in commerce, there are 2 types of 5/10 running 400max and 10/10 1500max. maybe they should make it 5/5 NL instead of 3/5 NL.

Also borgata should open up a table for 3/5 so it is available for people to play. The problem is i dont people know that there is a 1000max game available. instead of leaving a list open they should go ahead and start the game for people willing to play 2/5 500 max.

3/5 1k max is also a 6max game. Most live players don't like 6 handed play. It won't be popular any time soon.

who cares if players dont buy in 1k each, as long as i can start off with a 1k, i can stack off.

i dont want to work so hard with a 500max game to stack off a 200-300 stack, when i can clip u for aleast 400+ stack in a deep stack game

I will be there Tuesday night - Thursday. It is merely a coincidence that this trip was scheduled for the same time a possible event that may or not happen. If I happen to run into any other forum members, please walk the other way and forget we saw each other.

Sunday morning at the Borg: (somewhere between 4:30 and 7am)

Greek vs Jew

The old greek man in seat 3 tells the dealer he doesnt want seat 2's jew friends standing behind him. Then whispers to me in seat 4, those jews are cheaters, which he follows about a story of how the greek guy he worked for payed him well, and the jew he worked for didn't. I explained to him the world is different compared to 50 years ago.

Seat 2 raises preflop. The greek goes all in for $200+, gets called by seat 2 (all preflop). All cards are dealt, and seat 2 turns over K10, nothing, greek turns over 92 for a pair of 2's.

Just a fun and very profitable late night at the borg story.

Play 5/10 then. Pretty simple.