First, I believe those games are still beatable even with the rake. Although this often gets debated.

Second, serious poker players aren't playing 2/4 or 3/6. While I suppose there could be a couple of guys playing 3/6 while they're short on cash, they're very very far into the minority.

How many in the 4pm satellite for the 1500 deep stack?

I won't argue this point here

My point exactly, that is why there is no BBJ at 10-20 and up. Serious players won't tolerate it. That's why I propose taking it off the PCG - keep it on the lower limits. The real draw for the PCG is from up at 10-20. You won't be getting many 3-6-ers making the move up to pink.

Then you have the benefit of playing in a raked game, without a BBJ.

Sorry I misunderstood, although I think you're putting too much emphasis on the BBJ. In terms of serious players and the BBJ - 5/10NL just added the BBJ and I believe 10/20 has it too (added after people complained about not having it). The reality is that the majority of casual players (and most players at almost all limits are casual players) like the BBJ.

Anyway, I feel like the problem with the pink chip game is that its fun as a novelty - but I don't want to play limit games most of the time. I'm definitely not alone in my feelings.

With respect to Saturday - I heard the announcement for the PCG in the late afternoon but how could I leave my nice very juicy 2-5 game? I enjoy playing limit in the afternoon for a couple of hours but most of the time I'm going to play the game I enjoy just as much and where I can make a lot more money.

I know what you mean about the popularity of the BBJ... it's like the lottery. Some people figure, "what the hell, it's only $1 and if I hit it, I'll get a nice payoff." These are some of the same people that will not play pit games, because the of the HA. What they don't realize is that they have a better chance of hitting a single number on the roulette wheel, or catching a hop bet on the craps table, than being involved in winning the BBJ

As bad as those bets are, they are more +EV than the BBJ. But, apparently the lure of "beating the odds" works. I know it's only a dollar, but I don't want to throw away money - regardless of how insignificant it may seem. Like I said,over the long haul, it adds up to to a lot!

I guess as far as LHE vs. NLH, I fall in the camp of players that would rather go the limit route. Personally, I recognize my weakness at NL vs. my skill at Limit. I can make more money playing 10-20 than I could at 1-2, more at 15-30 (or 20-40) than I could at 2-5 and I also play 30-60 (or 40-80). 5-10 NL is too big of a game for me.

The Borg, like other casinos, is just giving players what they want. I appreciate that.

I'd just like to figure out what we can do to get the PCG going strong.

Ban No-Limit games. But that would be silly.

Stan

150//// (30) players will win there way into the Deep Stack.

Stan

The WJFK Junkie's tournament on Thursday.
The BBJP is $198,000
We are getting players from the Showboat tournament.
The $500,000 Deep Stack Tournament
Game selection (30) 1-2 NL (15) 2-5 NL (8) 5-10 NL (2) 10-25 (1) 25-50 NL
IT'S THE BORGATA

Stan

We run a 10-20 O.E. game most days or 10-20 Omaha H/L with 1/2 KILL. We mostly have 1-2 PLO but late at night the 5-10 PLO game will break out.

Stan

GOOD QUESTION!!!!!!

Yes, the tournament will run but it will start at 10AM instead of the normal 12pm. Mark it down. This is because the tournament will be huge and we will need the tables for live games in the afternoon.

Stan

About an hour away, how about a game report?

Spitting out beer

I remember the "good old days" when you had to BEG a casino to get a NL game called.

I actually wanted to meet Stan the Man this weekend. But when I remembered it was 3 AM on Sunday morning.

Was a donkey on 2/5 on Friday in which i dropped 3 buy-ins. Sat tight on Saturday to break up even for the weekend.

Just to be clear the BBJ is technically EV Neutral and thus better then the other bets you mentioned.

Of course the variance is much higher then the other bets you mentioned and so most people are losers. And of course you're expected (and I believe correctly-so) to tip the dealers so there's a little bit of money that doesn't come back to the players.

However, it is important to note that in AC the casinos make NO direct profit off of administering the BBJ - 100% of money collected is returned to players.

Time for a live game report Sunday 6:15pm


(40) Live games


(3) 2-4 LHE
(2) 3-6 LHE
(2) 10-20 LHE
(2) 20-40 LHE
(1) 40-80 LHE

(1) 75-150 Stud

(14) 1-2 NL
(10) 2-5 NL
(4) 5-10 NL
(1) 10-25 NL

(178) 11am $1500 + $150 Day 1A $500,000 Guaranteed Deep Stack
(150) 4pm $330 + $50 Deep Stack Qualifier (30) players will win a seat


BBJP $198,107


Stan

AMEN

Stan

This was kind of like my weekend. I dropped 2 buy-ins on Friday night within an hour and a half playing 2/5 and then made 4 buy-ins on Saturday to end up a grand.

I know that

However, it's a mutual lottery, that is hugely -EV.

Do the math on the odds of quads (or better) beaten by quads (or better) in the same hand, then apply the odds of you being seated at that table, assuming the BBJ is running on just 20 tables, on average, much less you even being present when it hits. But, discussion of all that is beyond scope of this thread.

As I said, the Borg, as with the other casinos, is just giving the players what they want. Intrinsically, that is a good thing. The needs/wants of the many outweighing the needs/wants of the few. And, we who don't want to participate can always play in games where there is no BBJ drop. I'm good with all that.

I don't think EV means what you think it means...

I agree, its outside the scope of this thread. However, I think there was a good thread about it somewhere.

I am already making my plans to be there Black Friday. I gave up my Flyers tickets for that day, so Stan needs to promise me he will have the game on the TVs.

I know what EV is, honest

Let's go back to our previous discussion, using roulette. A roulette wheel has 38 places where the ball may land, all equally likely. A winning bet on a single number pays 35-to-1, meaning that the original stake is not lost, and 35 times that amount is won, so you receive 36 times what you've bet. Considering all 38 possible outcomes, the expected value of the profit resulting from a dollar bet on a single number is the sum of what you may lose times the odds of losing and what you will win times the odds of winning, that is,

FOR A $1 BET... The change in your financial holdings is −$1 when you lose, and $35 when you win. Thus one may expect, on average, to lose about five cents for every dollar bet, and the expected value of a one-dollar bet is $0.9474.

Earnings [$1 bet] = (-$1 X (37/38)) + ($35 X (1/38)) = -$(1/19) ~ $0.0526

Close enough?

You really think the BBJ returns to you $0.9474 for each dollar they take from your pot?

/discussion

Where does the other $0.0526 go? By law the casino has to return $1 for each dollar they take out of the pot.

Please take this argument to another forum.

Stan

hi, im coming down tom morning about a 3 hour drive to play the deepstack tourney.... i should be there by 11.... do u think i will have a prob reging... and also i checked on pseats... no option to reg for this event. any way i can buy my seat with a cc to make sure i have one.

Come on down, don't worry, you will get in.

Stan