Can't believe Ogilvy hasn't done more since that win.

Thanks a bunch Reid! Ill definitely try all of that before I go out Saturday.

I have always said that he has one of the best swings in golf. Besides winning 2 WGC-Match Plays, he has really fallen off the face of the golfing world. Hope he comes back to form, kinda like how Stricker has.

Apparently there's an Adams Golf Pro Tour tournament going on right by my house. Anyone heard of this? Is it worth going to watch a bit on Saturday?

are golfsmith fitters not adequate? I tested out some clubs and had a very brief fitting (just hit a few 6 irons then a driver) and he just said get reg flex steel shaft std lie/loft.

Probably best mini tour.

Ship--this played the event two years ago when he was seriously playing. Me, nitBO, and ZBT played a practice round with him. Course really sucks IMO. I hear it's better now though.

I guess if you've got nothing better to do you could go watch a little.

In my experience Golfsmith fitters suck. The 1st set I bought from them they gave me std lie and loft and I'm 6'6". I went to a better fitter and now in 2* upright and 1" longer. They just don't seem to give a ****

How much money would you donate to charity to chew on Win McMurry's underwear after her workday?

how can I go about finding a good fitter given that I don't plan on buying the actual clubs from him?

This is a combination of "don't give a ****" and "not properly trained"

if you have a set of clubs, you can take to a fitter and have him make some adjustments with loft and lie if neccessary. they charge a little for that. other than that you can go to a place like golftech, where they can give you an analysis of your swing and make suggestions. think its like a 100$ for hr evaluation. my friend did this and he liked it. there are several locations.

i get my clubs fitted by some old dude in pasadena but i think he's getting senile so im not sure if best option anymore. we is a level 10 agcp clubfitter, whatever that means. pasadena clubfitter i think its called.

yea ive had issues with them even putting the grip on properly. big box golf stores are horrible when it comes to customization.

Yeah, turnover at golf stores (especially golfsmith) is really high. They'll hire anyone who can spell golf.

if you are from 5 6 to about 6 2 with normal length arms torso etc. ( like 90% of male golfers) you should be fine for club length and loft with std settings.

I think sometimes people get stuff bent too upright or too flat to cover up a swing flaw.
There is a reason that std length and lie are standard. The are designed for an optimal swing plane.
a few deg flat or upright can help people with really short torso, or that are really tall etc. Someone tells you to bend it 3,4,5 deg you should probably work on your swing.

This is an interesting theory considering the overwhelming majority of Tour pros play nonstandard lie clubs.

Guess those guys can't figure out that optimal swing plane. Amateurs should have no problem with it then, so everyone go buy your clubs straight off the rack.

First you have to realize that even though there is no "standard" for loft,lie or length all well made clubs are designed within tolerances that are from data gathered on machine that is essentially the perfect golfer ( Iron Byron)


"A quick look on the internet at specifications for the best selling #5 irons from four major manufacturers shows lie angles of 60.5, 60.8, 61 & 61.3 degrees. Not surprisingly there is no stated tolerance on any site, making one wonder just how close that 61.3-degree specification is. A look at standard lofts of #5 irons from these same manufacturers shows that two use 27 degrees while one is at 28 and one at 29."


as you can see the difference in lie angle is from the flattest to the most upright is 1.8 deg. You may like the mizuno irons but bend them flat a deg or two. No pro is playing a 5 iron with 64 deg of lie angle. the vast majority are are all within one to two degrees of each other.



and we all know that a pro owns his swing and has unlimited time energy and money to get exactly what he wants when he wants. tweek lies and loft weekly some of them do.

So my point is MOST casual golfers can get "standard" and be fine.

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"The trend to dynamic fitting over the past few years has shown (or caused?) a movement to longer and more upright golf clubs. That’s because the typical recreational golfer makes a swing that delivers an excessively downward path of the clubhead to the ball; he or she engages their upper body too much, their stronger right shoulder and arm too much (right handed players) and they hit “at” the ball, rather than swing through the impact zone. Dynamic fitting then shows that you “need” clubs that are longer and more upright, when what you really need is to learn a more proper move from the top of the swing through the impact zone."

and


"Since the focus on custom-fitting began, we've seen a huge trend to fit clubs more upright in lie angle than the manufacturer standard specifications, but is this always the right solution? More often than not, when the golfer is digging the toe into the ground, a swing path alteration is the better solution than to adjust the clubs. That's because clubs' lie angles are derived from a study of the best players in the game, the tour professionals. These guys (and ladies) know how to strike a golf ball in the most efficient manner possible, and even the tallest players do not have their irons adjusted more than a degree or two upright, at the most! "

Thanks for the info. Went down and watched a couple hours worth of tee shots on 10 (par 5). It was fun to watch and these guys were super good. Only a couple missed drives and they weren't really in any trouble.

I'm surprised that this course is hosting a tourney like this. It's in decent shape these days but it's just not that interesting IMO.

Club had an interesting gimmick today -- 8" cups.

Made anything inside 8' but it didn't translate to a ton more birdies

Hi guys,

got a question for yous. Gonna play a bingo bango bongo game with two foursomes this tuesday. Are the basic rules(1 point for first green, 1point for closest to hole when on the green, 1 point for first in hole) good enough? Ive been seeing some comments from people that the basic rules reward bad play, and that its better to change the rules a bit. Is this right in your experience>?

Also, is their not a thread about fun golf games? Couldnt find anything.

Also also, what other games do you like best? I have only played skins, and normal match play but i find competitive golfing games to be quite a breath of fresh air, so we are gonna try out a few with our groups.

we play bingo bango bongo with a point for who wins the hole as well (and double points for birdie) - points split if a tie

this is factually incorrect. just from simple geometry you plainly see that a guy who stands 5'6" has completely different angles at set up when compared to someone 8" taller. at such a height discrepancy 1 degree of lie angle makes a huge difference.

when comparing a 6' person with 6'2" there may not be difference but a 5'6" guy will need adjustments from standard settings.

i.e. do you think women's standard lies are same as men? if not, why? lie angle has nothing to do with strength btw.

Yes it appears he is downplaying a difference of 1-2 degrees in lie angle. Even that can significantly alter ball flight.

LOL no.

I'm down playing the practice of ams getting clubs bent too upright, to compensate for poor swing mechanics.

do some research on the better players you will see them playing stand or bent less then a degree. No pro is running around with clubs bent 4 deg upright.

No, it just sounds like you're saying "Don't bother getting fitted" instead of being realistic about it, where someone with long arms may need a degree or two flat. Your warning about poorly trained club fitters shoving a guy out the door with 4 degrees upright has merit, but you're pushing your point so hard that you sound like you're trying to discredit club fitting entirely. Maybe you are...I almost can't tell...

My clubs are 2 degrees upright...because I'm 6 foot goddamn 7