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'07-'09 REUNION - REDUX: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead: Battle of the Minor Characters '07-'09 REUNION - REDUX: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead: Battle of the Minor Characters

06-25-2020 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Your case wasn't really good is the thing though
The only way to determine of Shortline is a wolf on D1 is to determine if he is trying to get obvious villagery people lynched. You might have thought you were villagery but I don't think you were. Only crackedquads was villagery and that's not enough. He needs to be pushing for at least 3 obvious villagers on D1 to be a wolf.
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06-25-2020 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
well played
How confident are you that I'm a wolf now?
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06-25-2020 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Felix the Cat
Something just came to mind. Who would be likely to SPK/policy kill traz despite him having difficulties with time, not contributing a huge amount and not looking like he's going to captain the village to a win?

I'm not sure if all of us had enough experience with traz to make him the n0 SPK. I probably wouldn't give traz too much credit. Would few enough people look to SPK him n0 that we could narrow down the list of suspects? I'm legit asking, I don't know who would or wouldn't, I don't remember the meta to that level of detail, lol.
all that's required for traz to be the de facto nk is for there to be someone on the wolf team that has ever played with him
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06-25-2020 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
How confident are you that I'm a wolf now?
there's still time for you to be a villager but it's up to you, not me
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06-25-2020 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
To Jdalla:
When he called his list "obvious" I'm pretty sure meant obvious to him...not necessarily to everyone. That read fine to me.
I don't even care about the initial use of "obvious." It was his shifting story once others called him out for it, going from one explanation to another over time.

Plus forgetting you didn't call wolves "obvious" only "possible" to me seems like a manufactured answer to justify a list you made intentionally. Whereas a villager who says "possible wolves" and is uncertain about it would react with "wait, I didn't say they were obvious wolves"
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06-25-2020 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
there's still time for you to be a villager but it's up to you, not me
I'm gonna need a percentage.
Tell me what you want me to be doing right now. Want me to go read someone? Who?
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06-25-2020 , 06:08 PM
****** MOD NOTE******


Atakdog is allowed to post again.


****** MOD NOTE******
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06-25-2020 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I'm gonna need a percentage.
Tell me what you want me to be doing right now. Want me to go read someone? Who?
just give me your top 3 wolves
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06-25-2020 , 06:09 PM
Day 2: Automated Votals from #1757 to #1808

Luckbox Inc (5): Sun Tzu (25), jonnyd (23), Luckbox Inc (79), aaronk56 (17), Kukraprout (53)
shortline99 (4): JDalla (24), dmk (39), Tokyo!! (42), wdcbooks (17)
gusmahler (3): shortline99 (60), Nicholasp27 (4), sixfour (3)
dmk (1): coordi (7)
KruZe (1): YouKnowWho (17)
coordi (1): Felix the Cat (20)
Not voting (9): atakdog (0), biggerboat (0), crackedquads (0), Crossnerd (0), gusmahler (14), KruZe (1), mrs. jonnyd (2), riverfish1 (0), UNVOTE (0)

Phase ends in 2h50m. Hammer at 12.

Vote history:
Spoiler:
Nicholasp27 (1): gusmahler
Kukraprout (1): Luckbox Inc
sixfour (1): gusmahler

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06-25-2020 , 06:10 PM
I'm not giving a percentage. I think in terms of superpositions more than probabilities
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06-25-2020 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Felix the Cat
Something just came to mind. Who would be likely to SPK/policy kill traz despite him having difficulties with time, not contributing a huge amount and not looking like he's going to captain the village to a win?

I'm not sure if all of us had enough experience with traz to make him the n0 SPK. I probably wouldn't give traz too much credit. Would few enough people look to SPK him n0 that we could narrow down the list of suspects? I'm legit asking, I don't know who would or wouldn't, I don't remember the meta to that level of detail, lol.
What does SPK mean?

Does the fact that there were no N0 actions change this analysis (or did you mean N1)?
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06-25-2020 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
just give me your top 3 wolves
Crap...I have no idea at this point.
I can't call any active players wolves unfortunately except maybe Dmk still and I don't really believe that.
JonnyD is the best I've got for an active wolf and I don't know if I believe that either.
So it's all afk/utr types or people I'm just ignoring like YKW.
So like Crossnerd, Atakdog, and a bunch of people idk who.
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06-25-2020 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dmk
i'll save you trouble

traz is a good villager, so wolves nk/vig'd him

bobo is anti-village and didn't post at all, so someone (village vig?) killed him. maybe sk, who knows, doesn't matter

birdman was pretty widely considered cleared, so wolf prob nk/vig'd him
I agree Birdman was widely considered cleared but I'll remind everyone that DMK tried to start a wagon on him (I think aao and dustbox were the lead wagons). I remember this because it contributed to my (obviously wrong) grand wolf conspiracy theory.

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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
traz and birdman strong player kills from the wolves. We need to read them to see if they were threatening to someone in particular.

bobo SK kill, vig kill, or contest prize kill from the village. he was such an obvious target it might even be several of those at the same time.
this struck me as wolfy on my readthrough. But Kukra has done other things since to be villagery, so meh?

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Originally Posted by JDalla
*************** CLAIM *********************

I won the contest.

I shot shortline99, the most obvious wolf ever

My shot failed.

Either the wolf JOAT protected him or the wolf roleblocker correctly targeted me. Given I was making the case nonstop for Shorty yesterday, either outcome here suggests he is an important wolf to them.

I'll note I laid out the case very clearly yesterday and he had zero defense but everyone pretty much ignored it except crackedquads who made some of the points himself.

Anything but killing shortline99 today is basically the village giving up
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I believe Jdalla but I also really don't think Shortline is a wolf.
Is there any other explanation?
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Originally Posted by dmk
lol, you're a wolf w/ him again arent you
I had the same reaction as DMK to the luckbox/Jdalla posts above. Which is weird because I find DMK wolfy. It's also weird that Coordi is the only one on DMK, who is also pretty wolfy.


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Originally Posted by Tokyo!!
btw, if JDalla's stuff rings true and shorty flips wolf, a ton people posting recently to analyze this claim are quite likely villagers - dmk, kupra, books in particular. This is the exact sort of thing that would completely upend a wolf plan so I expect the other wolves to mostly be shying away from this thread before coming up with a plan to address it.
going back to village points for tokyo

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
sk duplicating a kill isn't the only possibility for the missing kill

there's also roleblock or misfire (both vig kills had 25% chance of not working)
thank you for pointing this out. Wolves could be going whole hog FPS and claiming this kill when they actually used it to kill someone else and their vig kill just whiffed.

Despite my DMK misgivings, I still like a shortline / dustbox wagon
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06-25-2020 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Crap...I have no idea at this point.
I can't call any active players wolves unfortunately except maybe Dmk still and I don't really believe that.
JonnyD is the best I've got for an active wolf and I don't know if I believe that either.
So it's all afk/utr types or people I'm just ignoring like YKW.
So like Crossnerd, Atakdog, and a bunch of people idk who.
so you're pulling a 180 from your standard wolf games and locking onto villa and refusing to call out fellow wolf players?
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06-25-2020 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by riverfish1
so you're pulling a 180 from your standard wolf games and locking onto villa and refusing to call out fellow wolf players?
I'm not actually a wolf.
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06-25-2020 , 06:14 PM
okay that took way longer than i thought but i'm here and i'm going to get caught up as fast as possible and try to provide some of my thoughts on the madness that is this game
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06-25-2020 , 06:14 PM
I'm a big fan of a shortline vote. Would also like an atakdog wagon
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06-25-2020 , 06:15 PM
I think luckbox is a fine option and that we probably just have to resolve him soon but I also feel like another day spent wrapped up in his orbit isn’t going to be the best use of our time. Seems like he’d better be resolved by having our vig kill him or maybe the SK can do it
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06-25-2020 , 06:16 PM
Jdalla the most obvious villager itt. kukra and books heading in that direction as well. Leaning villa on jonny, ykw, and felix
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06-25-2020 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by crackedquads
Jdalla the most obvious villager itt. kukra and books heading in that direction as well. Leaning villa on jonny, ykw, and felix
Why YKW?
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06-25-2020 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by crackedquads
I think luckbox is a fine option and that we probably just have to resolve him soon but I also feel like another day spent wrapped up in his orbit isn’t going to be the best use of our time. Seems like he’d better be resolved by having our vig kill him or maybe the SK can do it
SK is not shooting dustbox. SK is not pro village. They are hiding UTR and shooting people who aren't getting killed by wolves or village.
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06-25-2020 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by riverfish1
SK is not shooting dustbox. SK is not pro village. They are hiding UTR and shooting people who aren't getting killed by wolves or village.
Serial killer can shoot me. I'm a vanillager. I won't be protected.
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06-25-2020 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Why YKW?
Initially thought he was wolfy after comparing his original wolf game with this one as they were very similar. He made an entrance post how he wouldn't be contributing much, wasn't very interested and then completely disappeared. His first post itt struck a similar cord but since he's actually been pretty active and putting forth some effort. Tone strikes me as more relaxed and interested in what's going on

What are your thoughts on him?
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06-25-2020 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by riverfish1
SK is not shooting dustbox. SK is not pro village. They are hiding UTR and shooting people who aren't getting killed by wolves or village.
Why is the SK inherently anti villa? He just needs 3 consecutive kills to win right? What's it matter if luckbox is one of them

It looks like SK also becomes part of the village if the village seer peeks him, so being a little pro-village doesn't seem bad for him
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06-25-2020 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
I am dissapointed in how this day has been developing. I guess shorty being on a wagon makes some sense since it is an easy lazy vote, and people are lazy. But this entire situatiion smells fishy and my gut is screaming that we are being manipulated in some way. What really sucks is that due to this stuff some people are again able to hide in the shadows when they should be in the spotlight and posting. I cant seem to get any traction on a KruZe wagon, CN is also not getting much heat, if any, it’s just kinda weird. We seem fixated on one or two things for entire days, which is just terrible for village. Sorry for wall of text, trying to phone post.
This post has some villagery moments but reads sort of wolfy to me (the villagery part is the apology at the end). I'll read him really quick though.
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