haha, kids are on spring break, working from home on my couch.

ty for the cliffs!

I have a totally unrelated question, and sorry for appearing like im trolling you, but whats up with the underscores? At first I thought it was just an error but its happened repeatedly. Do they denote something?

Including HUPLO shortly after finishing the bet.

Breez is for sure his student. There's a post on pokertrikz where he says that he's about to do a sweat session with breez and 2 other guys. Additionally the two guys suspected of dumping chips are connected to him through the friends feature of weaktight.com and not just posting history.

The QQ/T7 hand is either the 4th or 5th hand Gary played with breez. It's the first hand at this table.

The A3/KJ hand is also stoppedclock's first hand of a new session.

NEW INFO: Stoppedclock played 4 sessions on March 19th. Every single one was with Gary. The odds of this happening by itself seem quite small to me. When you add in the fact that he's jumping up stakes and connected to Gary through a mutual friend it looks really bad.

Session 1 starts at about 9:20am EST and goes to 9:50
Session 2 starts at 12:30. The very first hand of this session is Gary's A3o v KJ. The session ends at 12:52
Session 3 starts at 4pm and goes til 5pm
Session 4 starts at 11:30 and lasts only 6 hands

J8o hand, stoppedclock just folds to a 3bet

86o hand, breeezzz calls, calls a cbet on AJ6, and folds to a turn bet on AJ6 K board.

I had been asking for more judges the whole time as well.

FWIW, I asked Gary's permission before sharing any info or allowing other judges to be appointed.

Here's a simulation I ran after the odds changed and is what convinced me not to bet on this.



As you can see he has a pretty good chance to win this on variance alone. I'd estimate that 30-40% of those results are above breakeven. And this is ignoring the fact that the bet is played on a Friday. The bet was almost certainly +EV for him to make straight up.

This is true. Nostalgica only entered the thread as RoSeeker after I PMed him about his relationship with breez and with Gary.

I find the fact that he was not immediately forthcoming about being a poster who had already been active in the thread and admitted a relationship with breez I find suspicious. Waiting on permission to post PMs.

The A7o hand he 3bets v a shortstacker minraise and calls a shove. It's 3handed.

His 3b betsizing is pretty consistent situationally and based on raise sizes.

There are significant differences between suited and unsuited hands and how well they play postflop.

Additionally it's clear from the screenshot that Gary makes a distinction between suited and offsuit hands. He 3b suited junk 10x more often than offsuit junk(blinds v steal). When you consider that you are dealt offsuit junk 3x more often than suited junk, the fact that he makes this distinction becomes significant.

Can you search for how often you 3bet junk against fish or unknowns?

Jalex was very clear that he was speaking strictly situationally. Additionally we were careful to include the exact filters used in the screenshot.

Your screenshots include squeezes.

lol i believe they are for emphasis

Cliffs anybody?

This seems pretty damning to me. According to PTR, though, he played 5 sessions. Does it include this one?

93 $1/$2 NLH (6-max) $-219.30 Mar 18th - 11:40pm CDT Mar 19th - 12:11am CDT

which was a 5 tabling session that seemed to start before the prop bet?

Edit:

During that session, he played a hand that went like this:

Stopped Clock raises to $6 from the CO with As8s. Someone in the SB 3-bets to $20 with AdQd.

There is $42 in the pot.

Flop: 3s 2d 4d

SB Bets $24.

StoppedClock immediately ships a full stack.

(he ends up hitting a 5 and chopping)

This guy doesn't seem to be good.

This is the kind of stuff that is, in my opinion relevant.

BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT - It's still REALLY shady that he played all of his sessions with him.


Edit 2:

Anyone have a location for StoppedClock, none listed on PTR.

I'll be holding ALL the money in escrow pending conclusion of Stars investigation into this.

Hands from that time were not present in the HHs downloaded from Stars. Though in looking over some of those hands on PTR, at least 2 of those tables had Gary on them.

I don't know if you'll see my edit, but in watching some hands on PTR, the guy is either clearly a fish, or they REALLY went deep on preparing to chip dump on this prop bet. The most damning thing, clearly, is that he's only on tables with Gary (if thats true).

That's really really bad, and I've been on the fence this entire time.

Completely grunching, I find it hilarious that this has erupted into a scandal when gary is seen trolling hard2tel here

Here is the first post and it carries on.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=680

Providing some cover play has been standard for cheats for a long time.

This is how I missed these things in the HH review the first time around. Without the connection to Gary and the background on these 2 guys everything looks like it's just another 200nl player donating.

PTR has 286 hands for stoppedclock in the sessions I have in the database from stars. In my database, Gary played 307 with him.

Gary was playing 24 tables at once ALL day, so its not entirely unlikely that stopped clock would end up at his tables.

Anyway, RoSeeker needs to be questioned. He's the key to all of this... How many friends does he have on Weak Tight? if he has like 5 friends on there, this is very shady.

i stand by my theory that roseeker wanted to help his friend win and enlisted microstake donks to do it. I respect gary enough to think he wouldn't do this.

sounds like a nice life

A key point also is that StoppedClock hasn't played SINCE Friday. If he was a new deposit, you would think he'd keep playing.

I will say this, though, I've gone through the two shortest sessions so far, and there's nothing even remotely fishy.

I do have a question, could you look up MilitiaRusha v babo.yes in 3bet pots? He seems like a fish, not a full stack, he raises UTG, and Gary 3-bets him from the BB. Just wondering what Gary had in this case.


edit: I guess if he's a euro, he could only be playing friday nights? I don't know, 2nd Winds theory sounds real plausible at this point.

First I'm fairly sure gary was mostly playing 16-20 tables for most of this. I can't figure out how to find multitable ratio in holdem manager though.

Second, how many tables run at 1/2 during these times? It's gotta be 50 plus. So it's still pretty unlikely that he winds up on Gary's tables every time.

According to your theory into2ndwind, does it award the Gary or the bettors the win in this bet?

babo has TAGish stats in gary's DB and that hand was 100% standard

There is one hand that happened on table Capek IX, where, I think, if StoppedClock's sole purpose was to help Gary, he wouldn't have played it this way.

UTG opens, UTG+1 calls, Gary calls in the CO, otb Calls, and StoppedClock has QQ in the SB and squeezes. If they were just helping Gary, do they raise there and ruin his chances with whatever small pair or SC he had?

This is something that I'm not 100% sure about. I'm not a judge and I'm not a cheater (at poker, anyhow, wink wink), so I'm not sure what certain situations mean or don't mean.

And StoppedClock immediately leaves, after losing to KK AIPF, like a fish would do...

Well you'd obviously need to check both his accounts. Here's the Nostalgica one, nothing has changed here...



However, if you compare the screenshot I took before I posted my information last night of RoSeeker (sadly I cropped this to show only the relationship to 00doug, my mistake, but I'm pretty sure there's no other changes to the list from last night):



With current, you'll notice a change...




Mind you, I don't believe this necessarily implicates all these guys, and I didn't do research on all those names. Like I said, there is tons more things that could be looked at....

However, pretty interesting either 00doug or RoSeeker removed their link on weaktight after I posted and we haven't heard a word from 00doug again in this thread.

I wonder if Mr. 00doug also removed his link to breeeeez?

Last night's screenshot:




Right now:





This is why you do screenshots before you post things that people can erase the evidence....

i'd say well over 100 tables

good point, not sure why i forgot to look at that. all but one of the 3bets was vs a reg with ft3b >75%

the one vs unknown was when he posted in CO and minraised pre at an ante table.

that's over 107k sample and like i said, i have very similar pf stats to OP. 23/18/5.5 and typically 3bet a polarized range vs villains who defend semi-honestly.

If op is honest hes the unluckiest human being ever.

The evidence against him is just so unlikely to be a coincidence.

First suspicious hands, then turns out theyre against players who are taking shots, then turns out most if not all their tables and sessions were at OPs tables, then turns out his close friend is their coach, who then posts under another sn in thread, then OP who was calm and offering a re-do gets called out by zachvac, and changes his attitude the very next post.

The hands alone were iffy, but everything else is just....too much.

I have no involvement watsoever and probably should not be posting - but i just read the entire thing from start to finish missed dinner turned away plenty of good games online and now my eyes feel like they cud start bleeding
ABSOLUTLEY HOOKED tho will be checking every 20seconds for progress - like the murder mystery shows I watched with my mum as a kid lol

I like to believe in human nature being the winner sigh so i really hope OP is innocent.

Seems like the judges put in a lot of time and effort with no short term incentive - so kudos for that wp.
GL to all concerned I hope a happy conclusion is reached.

I'm convinced, I believe strongly that the innocent shouldn't be harmed in pursuit of the guilty, but at this point I don't have a reasonable doubt. Something shady is going on and it can't be ignored.