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Western Conference Finals 2016: Golden State Warriors vs Oklahoma City Thunder

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05-23-2016 , 04:40 PM

#1376

Tien

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I think its going to be upgraded to Flagrant 2, nothing more.

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05-23-2016 , 04:46 PM

#1377

mullen

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I think its going to be upgraded to Flagrant 2, nothing more.

If this happens, will Dray be suspended on any subsequent techs or flagrants from here on out in the playoffs? Not sure how the tech/flagrant playoff rules work.

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05-23-2016 , 04:50 PM

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An upgrade is an automatic suspension is it not? Either that or an ejection from the current game.

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05-23-2016 , 04:52 PM

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The thing about Draymond is that the kick to the groin falls right into what we know about him. He is a dirty player not above cheapshots. I don't really care if they suspend him or not but in between his words and Kerr's postgame presser those two have really become completely unlikeable and transparently shook. Not apologizing makes it more likely that it was intentional and also more likely that Dray is a scumbag.

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05-23-2016 , 04:53 PM

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WichitaDM

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Also I am surprised they haven't made the announcement yet.

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05-23-2016 , 04:58 PM

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If this happens, will Dray be suspended on any subsequent techs or flagrants from here on out in the playoffs? Not sure how the tech/flagrant playoff rules work.

An upgrade to 2 sends him to 3 flagrant points, 1 away from automatic suspension. But it will save him from sitting out game 4.

As much as Draymond is an unlikeable loud mouth, I would rather he play game 4.

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05-23-2016 , 04:58 PM

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Kerr was definitely shook. I would've thought he'd just go with he understands how the play looks but he backs his player and believes him when he says it's not intentional. For him to say it should be rescinded and then to go on a weird tangent about how Russ kicks his legs out on 3s is bizarre. Russ wasn't even involved in the play. Then Draymond throws shade at Russ again today in a dumb statement basically admitting to acting/flopping, but it's ok because guys have done it before him. Pretty uncharacteristic, esp for Kerr.

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05-23-2016 , 05:03 PM

#1383

Seadood228

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Also I am surprised they haven't made the announcement yet.

Yeah this seems weird, maybe that points to them trying to spin not suspending him.

And I disagree that Dray is a dirty player. He's adept at toeing the line between what is or isn't a foul and does what he can to get under a player's skin. it's hate-worthy but I have a hard time calling him a dirty POS.

We would all love someone like Dray on our teams to take the pressure off everyone else.

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05-23-2016 , 05:09 PM

#1384

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Warriors were about -500 to start series; how would a Warriors loss here compare to other Conference Finals or Finals big upsets in recent history? what was the last one that would be bigger?

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05-23-2016 , 05:13 PM

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Roger Clemens

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I suggest people go on a sports betting site and have a look for themselves : GS is -150

They are still much better than OKC

Betting lines are a reflection of public sentiment. It does not replace an evaluation or projection.

If you were right then every upset could not be explained beyond randomness, and that the underdog was actually the better team.

Another way to look at it: bookies estimate that the sharp bettors place 40% chance OKC is the better team.

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05-23-2016 , 05:19 PM

#1386

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The current betting line is the best publicly available data available to tell us the relative strengths of the teams and most likely outcome.

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05-23-2016 , 05:20 PM

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Strauss has a video on his Twitter of Draymond kicking up when he's fouled. Turns out he does it a lot.

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05-23-2016 , 05:23 PM

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Betting lines are subject to inefficiencies, such as limits, access, manipulation, etc. The fact that the line is "public" does not mean that the line is most efficient, e.g. takes into consideration all publicly available information. If lines were truly efficient than nobody with publicly available information could beat lines.

You would have a stronger argument with closing lines, but there are inefficiencies with that as well.

Also, there is no single "line". Lines are different on the same event for a host of reasons.

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05-23-2016 , 05:25 PM

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In light of Draymond's innocent kicking everywhere used as a defense I recommend Dahntay Jones, CP3, and other nut punchers start throwing a right hook at the air on most shots so they can have a video compilation defense when they inevitably hit someone's nuts in a horrible case of bad luck

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05-23-2016 , 05:26 PM

#1390

ALLTheCookies

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https://twitter.com/ten000hours/stat...25505971544064

Video that shows he kicks up.

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05-23-2016 , 05:27 PM

#1391

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Originally Posted by Roger Clemens

Betting is restricted to inefficiencies, such as limits, access, manipulation, etc. The fact that the line is "public" does not mean that the line is most efficient, e.g. takes into consideration all publicly available information. If lines were truly efficient than nobody with publicly available information could beat lines.

You would have a stronger argument with closing lines, but there are inefficiencies with that as well.

Also, there is no single "line". Lines are different on the same event for a host of reasons.

Everyone itt knows what you're saying, esp Clark

Clark said 'best publicly available info'. It's a data point for conversation.

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05-23-2016 , 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Clemens

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

The current betting line is the best publicly available data available to tell us the relative strengths of the teams and most likely outcome.

Yeah both of these are correct but Clark more correct.

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05-23-2016 , 05:29 PM

#1393

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

https://twitter.com/ten000hours/stat...25505971544064

Video that shows he kicks up.

He clearly does it in the hopes of getting tangled up with someone and getting a foul called. Imo that video hurts his case.

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05-23-2016 , 05:29 PM

#1394

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Yeah both of these are correct but Clark more correct.

Except there is no single betting line. And they are not efficient, for various reasons I noted above.

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05-23-2016 , 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

Warriors were about -500 to start series; how would a Warriors loss here compare to other Conference Finals or Finals big upsets in recent history? what was the last one that would be bigger?

I think Orlando over Cleveland in '09 was the biggest. I know when the Lakers lost to Houston in '86 it was big, but no clue what the ML would've been and it would likely be impossible to find.

They were like +650 when that series. Then the next year Celts +250 vs Orlando.

Haven't really been many conf finals upsets that I can even recall. OKC was like +200 @ SA in 2012.

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05-23-2016 , 05:51 PM

#1396

DodgerIrish

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Detroit over Malone and GP Lakers I think

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05-23-2016 , 05:57 PM

#1397

DodgerIrish

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no, ur right I believe but they're in the same ballpark

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05-23-2016 , 06:01 PM

#1398

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so at worst GS are the 3rd biggest underachievers of all time

nice regular season though

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05-23-2016 , 06:01 PM

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Except there is no single betting line. And they are not efficient, for various reasons I noted above.

I mean, the ~half point spread that can exist between books isn't material or relevant to this conversation. I'm not sure what point you're arguing actually.