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Originally Posted by DannyOcean_
The Judah fight was definitely a good win for Mayweather. But he hasn't had that kind of fight in years, so that was why I thought we don't really know how he'd respond today in that kind of fight.
Manny fought JMM at JMM's best weight. And he won both fights in reality. The split decision was close, but a win for Manny. And the "draw" was not really a draw. It's widely known that a judge accidentally did not score a knockdown for Pacquiao, leading to a tie scorecard when there should have been a Pacquiao win by a point. Pac won two close fights against JMM at his best weight, and knocked him down 4 times over those two fights without ever being knocked down himself.
The two Manny/JMM fights were at JMM's dominant weights of 126 and 130. Floyd fought him at 144, and JMM had only had one fight above 130 in his life (at 135).
First of all, you're wrong. Cotto has never fought above 147.
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...3535&cat=boxer
Secondly, Manny is continually moving up in weight over the last couple of years. Manny was dominant at 126 and 130 (as well as several weight classes below that). He moved up to fight Diaz at 135. Then he moved up again to fight ODLH at 147. Nobody 'forced' ODLH to take that fight. Manny was jumping 12 pounds higher than he'd ever fought before, and 17 pounds higher than his dominant weight (he only had one 135 fight). Essentially he was jumping 17 pounds up in weight. The weight class was thought to be a huge advantage for ODLH going into that fight. Manny deserves credit for jumping that high, not blame that ODLH couldn't cut weight properly. Then after the ODLH fight, he took on Hatton at 140, and Cotto and Clottey at 147.
Manny continually moves up, whereas in the last couple of years, Floyd has moved down and looks for smaller, weaker, or older fighters to prey on. In 2007, he took on ODLH at 154. After winning the 154 title, he chose to not face any of the best at 154 and instead fought 140 champ Hatton at 147, where Hatton had never fought before. He then had the ridiculous fight against JMM, where Marquez essentially jumped 14 pounds above his normal weight class. Mayweather didn't give a **** about making weight for that fight either, basically paying Marquez off so he could miss.
I think the whole "Manny moves up while Floyd moves down" is why people are giving Manny more credit for recent fights than Floyd.
You whole post makes it seem like Mayweather has fought at 147 his whole career, he began fighting at the same weight class Pacquiao did, he just moved up in weight quicker. Pac was 16 when he was fighting at 106 so was Mayweather only difference was Mayweather was still an amateur while Manny had already turned pro. Naturally Mayweather isn't much bigger than Manny.
People just dislike Mayweather so they look for every reason to discredit him while Pacquiao is very likeable so people overrate his unaccomplishments and look the other way on certain things like Oscar and Cotto fighting below there normal weight in order to fight Pacquiao and both "surprisingly" looked sluggish. Instead of pointing to the additional weight cut everybody just says "Manny was too fast for them." Why is it a big deal when guys step up a weight class to fight Mayweather but it's non issue when guys cut extra weight to fight Manny? It's much easier to weigh more for a fight then it is to cut extra weight, the reason is when guys move up in a weight class odds are they just cut less weight during training. It's not like these guys are putting on 7+ extra pounds, they are just losing 7 pounds less for the fight. It's just as much a disadvantage to lose 2 extra pounds then your used to when you are already dehydrating yourself to get down to 147. Granted Marquez may have had to actually put on weight but it was probably very little.
Also way too big of a deal is made for the extra weight Mayweater came into the fight as. There are 30-40 pound weight gaps in the HW division, and you're telling me 2 pounds makes all the difference? Maybe Mayweather thought he could make that weight and during training realized he would've had to nearly kill himself to lose those extra pounds and knew he would be too dehydrated and would've had no energy during the fight and would've put himself in a position to take a loss.
My bad about Cotto, he's just now about to fight his first fight at 154, I got mixed up.