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Old 05-24-2010, 09:26 AM   #2076
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

so is that trash-talking pussy going to fight Pacman or what?
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Old 05-24-2010, 10:38 AM   #2077
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

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i don't think anyone can really defend Floyd at this point. Blatant, blatant ducking.

What exactly has changed since they last negotiated? Some Filipino super-congressional steroids hit the market?
Apparently you are unaware of how Pac's neck muscles look.
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Old 05-24-2010, 12:35 PM   #2078
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i don't think anyone can really defend Floyd at this point. Blatant, blatant ducking.

What exactly has changed since they last negotiated? Some Filipino super-congressional steroids hit the market?
What changed since their last fight is that Floyd just did 1.4 million buys while Pac did 700k. Also Floyd wanted blood tests up until the day of the fight last time but compromised to 14 days but now doesn't want to compromise. Instead of asking why Floyd all of a sudden changed his mind why don't people ask why last time Pac would only do blood testing up until 24 days but now all of a sudden is willing to do 14 days? Why is 14 days ok this time around but wasn't last time?

Why is it when the fight fell through last time Pac fought Josh Clottey when Mosley and Paul Williams wre available to fight? Why are people dangling from Pac's nuts and think he can do no wrong?
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Old 05-24-2010, 12:58 PM   #2079
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

They are both idiots. If they REALLY want the fight then it can be made happen pretty easily
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:01 PM   #2080
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What changed since their last fight is that Floyd just did 1.4 million buys while Pac did 700k. Also Floyd wanted blood tests up until the day of the fight last time but compromised to 14 days but now doesn't want to compromise. Instead of asking why Floyd all of a sudden changed his mind why don't people ask why last time Pac would only do blood testing up until 24 days but now all of a sudden is willing to do 14 days? Why is 14 days ok this time around but wasn't last time?

Why is it when the fight fell through last time Pac fought Josh Clottey when Mosley and Paul Williams wre available to fight? Why are people dangling from Pac's nuts and think he can do no wrong?
Because the only issue that PBF is harping on is the most trivial issue of all, yet also the only impediment. It also shows PBF to be a massive hypocrite. Do you have any information showing that either fighter wants a different monetary split or is the PPV buys just an esoteric tidbit?
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:05 PM   #2081
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What changed since their last fight is that Floyd just did 1.4 million buys while Pac did 700k. Also Floyd wanted blood tests up until the day of the fight last time but compromised to 14 days but now doesn't want to compromise. Instead of asking why Floyd all of a sudden changed his mind why don't people ask why last time Pac would only do blood testing up until 24 days but now all of a sudden is willing to do 14 days? Why is 14 days ok this time around but wasn't last time?

Why is it when the fight fell through last time Pac fought Josh Clottey when Mosley and Paul Williams wre available to fight? Why are people dangling from Pac's nuts and think he can do no wrong?
I know I'm feeding the trolls here but I can't help it. PBF did more buys because he was fighting a better known opponent who people thought (shock: they were wrong) had a real chance to knock him out.

As for the testing, just stop. PBF makes a seemingly outrageous demand and Pac balks at it. Then, Pac concedes to the outrageous demand (and make no mistake, it is outrageous. It might be the best thing for boxing, but it's completely unprecedented) and now PBF needs more concessions.

Pac has done everything possible to make this fight happen (albeit dragging his feet a bit for superstitious reasons) and PBF keeps ducking.

I'd likely lay hugely favorable odds that if Pac came out and said "test me DURING the fight, I don't care, let's fight" and PBF would try to duck him saying something like "Why would I fight someone that's obviously juiced in the past" or some nonsense.

Pac is stupid for being so superstitious, no doubt, but Floyd is a *****.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:08 PM   #2082
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Why did PBF want less testing vs a known cheater than a fighter with the exact same record of drug use?
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:13 PM   #2083
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Can someone give me a rundown on why this drug testing issue a big deal? I thought they did this before every fight.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:20 PM   #2084
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Can someone give me a rundown on why this drug testing issue a big deal? I thought they did this before every fight.
Boxing testing sucks. Oly testing is the best there is but still sucks. Everyone in the Olympics is juiced to the gills in everything except ping pong and people who're terrible.

For some reason people seem to think that Oly testing prevents cheaters when it hasn't been successful in keeping sports clean in any other arena ever. They're idiots. Don't be like them.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:25 PM   #2085
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Can someone give me a rundown on why this drug testing issue a big deal? I thought they did this before every fight.
They test urine but floyd wants blood tests, manny says he doesn't like having blood taken.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:25 PM   #2086
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

okay..... does Mayweather think Manny is on something?
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:27 PM   #2087
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okay..... does Mayweather think Manny is on something?
Up for some debate. Some will say PBF legitimately things Pac is juicing, others will say PBF is looking for excuses.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:30 PM   #2088
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And Pac is refusing to take the test because he doesn't like having blood taken? Hmm... in a lot of cases, the accuser's story gains credence when the other refuses to prove them incorrect. Sounds like Pac has more to lose by not taking the test, but the shifting is pretty ridiculous from PBF. Can one actually get any benefit from taking something in 13 days?
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:35 PM   #2089
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Why did PBF want less testing vs a known cheater than a fighter with the exact same record of drug use?
Are you talking about the alleged 18-day cutoff vs mosley?
That rumor is false. There were not cutoff dates according to Tygart from USADA.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:37 PM   #2090
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I know I'm feeding the trolls here but I can't help it. PBF did more buys because he was fighting a better known opponent who people thought (shock: they were wrong) had a real chance to knock him out.

As for the testing, just stop. PBF makes a seemingly outrageous demand and Pac balks at it. Then, Pac concedes to the outrageous demand (and make no mistake, it is outrageous. It might be the best thing for boxing, but it's completely unprecedented) and now PBF needs more concessions.

Pac has done everything possible to make this fight happen (albeit dragging his feet a bit for superstitious reasons) and PBF keeps ducking.

I'd likely lay hugely favorable odds that if Pac came out and said "test me DURING the fight, I don't care, let's fight" and PBF would try to duck him saying something like "Why would I fight someone that's obviously juiced in the past" or some nonsense.

Pac is stupid for being so superstitious, no doubt, but Floyd is a *****.
You even say that it may be the best thing for boxing but because it's unprecedent it's outrageous, how does that make sense? If it's the best thing for the sport how can it be outrageous? You still didn't address the fact that Mayweather fought 1 of the 2 best possible opponents he could face while Pacquiao fought a fighter who is way down that list and had lost to Cotto who Pac had just destroyed. Why is it that it's cool for Pac to go and fight Clottey while Mayweather fights the person that many considered #3 P4P before their fight but Mayweather is ducking Pac? If you look at the quality of opponent the 2 fought after talks broke off it sure looks like it's Pac who wanted to fight the easier opponent.

It doesn't matter that Mayweather fought a more notable opponent the fact is it's a pretty big bargaining chip to say "I did 2x as many PPV buys as you did in your last fight." That's like saying it doesn't matter that Phil Jackson won 10 titles because look at the players he's coached, he shouldn't demand more than Rudy Tomjanovich who won 2 titles with less talent.

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Why did PBF want less testing vs a known cheater than a fighter with the exact same record of drug use?
Huh? Didn't they do the same Olympic style testing that he's asking for from Pac?

My main beef is that everybody jumps on Mayweather because they dislike him and think Pac is totally in the clear. Why wouldn't a fighter jump at the chance to prove he's the best, clean and make a ridiculous amount of money at the same time? It's ******ed to say Mayweather is ducking Pacquiao because he wants him to do drug tests when it really looks like Pac is ducking Mayweather because he's "too superstitious" to do a blood test that close to the fight, when every Olympic athlete goes through these tests. How did these tests slow down Usain Bolt or Michael Phelps?

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Old 05-24-2010, 02:38 PM   #2091
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Why is it when the fight fell through last time Pac fought Josh Clottey when Mosley and Paul Williams wre available to fight? Why are people dangling from Pac's nuts and think he can do no wrong?
Mosley wasn't available, he was scheduled to fight Andre Berto. The only reason Mayweather-Mosley happened was because of the Haiti tragedy forcing Berto out of his fight with Mosley.

And lol Paul Williams. He was already moving up to 160 lbs. by that point...what was Pac gonna do, jump another two weight classes?
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:42 PM   #2092
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Are you talking about the alleged 18-day cutoff vs mosley?
That rumor is false. There were not cutoff dates according to Tygart from USADA.
Cite who said there was testing up till fight time and preferably their involvement with the fight. As opposed to the last time you tried citing stuff and cited two articles that were in disagreement.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:44 PM   #2093
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And Pac is refusing to take the test because he doesn't like having blood taken? Hmm... in a lot of cases, the accuser's story gains credence when the other refuses to prove them incorrect. Sounds like Pac has more to lose by not taking the test, but the shifting is pretty ridiculous from PBF. Can one actually get any benefit from taking something in 13 days?
Well, his latest explanation was that because Floyd is bigger than he is, the bloodtests would affect him more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFWJO...eature=channel

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Old 05-24-2010, 02:46 PM   #2094
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And Pac is refusing to take the test because he doesn't like having blood taken?
No.

Pac will take blood tests, but he doesn't want to take any within the 2 weeks prior to the fight date.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:47 PM   #2095
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Well, as far as I'm concerned, Mayweather's legacy is cemented.

At least Rocky Marciano fought who was available, not his fault his generation's talent pool sucked.

**** Floyd.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:49 PM   #2096
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both of these guys are being little bitches imo. If they both wanted to fight each other, they'd sort this **** out. But it sounds like both are scuuurrred. Neither wants to lose their legacy.
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I've also heard PBF wants more than a 50/50 cut of the money
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:57 PM   #2098
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And Pac is refusing to take the test because he doesn't like having blood taken? Hmm... in a lot of cases, the accuser's story gains credence when the other refuses to prove them incorrect. Sounds like Pac has more to lose by not taking the test, but the shifting is pretty ridiculous from PBF. Can one actually get any benefit from taking something in 13 days?
Yeah, Pac thinks, essentially, that having blood drawn makes him weaker, so he's looking to avoid that.

As Thremp said above, PEDs are notoriously hard to test for (largely due to the fact that they're a combination of hard to detected and leave the body quickly), but the testing being asked for isn't likely to accomplish much of anything.
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Cite who said there was testing up till fight time and preferably their involvement with the fight. As opposed to the last time you tried citing stuff and cited two articles that were in disagreement.
Ok. I said there were no cutoff date for testing.

Source; Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA, the agency responsible for the testing procedure.

This radio show; http://theboxingtruth.com/listen.php?id=240
About 57~ish minutes in.

Could you cite any source that claim there was a cutoff date?
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I've also heard PBF wants more than a 50/50 cut of the money
Rightfully so in that case.
He has proven to be the bigger draw financially.
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