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11-13-2016 , 03:21 AM
I think Conor vs Khabib would be an amazing fight. I'd be super scared as a Conor fan even though I always underestimate him. Just feel like if it goes badly it goes really badly.
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11-13-2016 , 03:22 AM
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What are you talking about, I was rooting for Conor you dumbass.

Conor hasn't had a ton of impressive fights to this point. You can list the 2nd fight against Nate and the adjustments he made and maybe the fight against Porier because of the size.

He outclassed Eddie but we've been saying for months that Eddie isn't the best LW, he just got lucky to be the champ. Conor still has Ferg, RDA, and Khabib if not another against Nate.
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Oh you're one of those guys. My bad, carry on.
totally
anything can happen in one fight and surely Conor is just running from Aldo since then...


Anyway Eddy alvarez is an idiot, what kind of a facking fight plan was that...
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11-13-2016 , 03:22 AM
Conor hits very hard, which is why he knocked out Aldo in 13 seconds. It was not a fluky shot at all: it was a concisely directed counterpunch landed squarely on against an early haymaker. Nothing fluky about it.
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11-13-2016 , 03:23 AM
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I'm a Diaz fan and I don't even understand how you can say "Conor hasn't had a ton of impressive fights"
Well, let's start with Porier, who I said is an impressive win of him (do largely to size) since before that he wasn't fighting a bunch of top-10 guys.

After that we get Siver who's who's entirely unimpressive.

Then it's on to Chad, who took the fight on two weeks notice, and thoroughly outwrestled him and cut him in the first round before gassing in the second.

Next its Aldo. One exchange in which he landed a great punch and won the belt. Obviously, he's a big win, but it's one exchange. Anyone that's not a Conor slappy can see we have a problem with sample size. (For the record, I think Conor wins a possible rematch, but that's beside the point).

After Aldo he runs into unstoppable 190 lb-on-fight-day LW destroyer Nate Diaz. Yeah, Nate's coming off of 11 days notice and is soaked in Tiquila, but Diaz brothers always are at 100% and besides, Nate's physical tools make this fight almost unwinnable for Conor (note: when Conor has a reach or weight edge on someone, it's just good planning). To the shock of no one, Nate sleeps him in 8 minutes, but Conor was winning until he wasn't, so really who cares.

Fights Nate again and eeks out a Majority Decision (I think it should've been UD 48-47, but whatever) where despite dropping Nate three times, he can't put him away. Joking aside, he makes some great adjustments with his kicks and seems to have picked up some solid TDD, although Nate didn't really give it a ton of effort.

That brings us to tonight where he takes out a top 5 LW in Alvarez very soundly, which I agreed was his best showing.

That's his career to this point. If it weren't for some fortuitous timing and a boatload of PR, we wouldn't have to have stupid discussions like these. He's a great fighter, and his next fight against Khabib or Ferg is going to be awesome, but stop with the GOAT stuff.
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11-13-2016 , 03:26 AM
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And yes he was obv trying to shoulder roll, RT
Right?? Granted he was outside the pocket when he did it so he wasn't in much real danger, but that was cool to see. Sending a message to Floyd I guess.
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11-13-2016 , 03:28 AM
Diego Brandao is pissed
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11-13-2016 , 03:29 AM
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Conor hits very hard, which is why he knocked out Aldo in 13 seconds. It was not a fluky shot at all: it was a concisely directed counterpunch landed squarely on against an early haymaker. Nothing fluky about it.
It did happen to gsp vs matt sera, whos the better fighter tho, you saw it in the second match and clearly.
And when i saw aldo destroy edgar in his match i am pretty sure the 13sec would not happen again.
Just saying, anything can happen in 1 fight...

Anyway, i really hope UFC do not screw wonderboy up and give him a freakin rm fast.

Seem to me RM wonderboy vs woodley with main event khabib vs mcgregor would be the way to go.
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11-13-2016 , 03:30 AM
Other than fighting 2 guys at the same time idk what else Conor needs to do to impress you tbh.
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11-13-2016 , 03:31 AM
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It did happen to gsp vs matt sera, whos the better fighter tho, you saw it in the second match and clearly.
And when i saw aldo destroy edgar in his match i am pretty sure the 13sec would not happen again.
Just saying, anything can happen in 1 fight...
Nah, flash KOs aren't a thing in MMA.

Conor did get clipped with some solid leg kicks early in this one, but Eddie went away from them. If Aldo could some how stick to a steady diet of his monstrous kicks, he may have a shot.

Conor is just to heavy and long for 145 tho.
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11-13-2016 , 03:33 AM
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Other than fighting 2 guys at the same time idk what else Conor needs to do to impress you tbh.
I called him a great fighter two posts ago and have spoken positively about him for months ITT.

Not saying a guy is the GOAT, or not saying he has a huge catalog of impressive wins isn't a slight.

I listed his most recent fights above, so through and red-line them for me, I'd be happy to learn about it. Not every thing needs to be an argument, the fact that this is SE non-withstanding.
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11-13-2016 , 03:39 AM
Alverez a fraud but Conor's left is the ****ing truth.

Anyone who thinks he defends the belt against Khabib over the trilogy with Nate is not paying attention. What on earth makes you think he will accept a worse match up with less hype potential? When the **** has he ever? The only legit top contender fights he selected were as challenger to the belt or if they were on short notice. He is one of the best ever in the cage, but the absolute goat at the business end, and no small part of that is being a genius at fight selection.
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11-13-2016 , 03:43 AM
Conor goat. Khabib is the only fight that interests me vs him now other than Diaz 3.

I had Woodley-Thompson 47-47, I can understand 48-47 Thompson. I just don't see how you get 48-47 Woodley.

JJ fight was fun.

Has anybody checked on Weidman? Is he alive?

Meisha fight was hot.
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11-13-2016 , 03:47 AM
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Conor goat. Khabib is the only fight that interests me vs him now other than Diaz 3.

I had Woodley-Thompson 47-47, I can understand 48-47 Thompson. I just don't see how you get 48-47 Woodley.

JJ fight was fun.

Has anybody checked on Weidman? Is he alive?

Meisha fight was hot.
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Not shocking we see two different 10-8 rounds in the ties, either could've been scored that way. 1-3-4 to Woodley seems wrong tho
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11-13-2016 , 03:48 AM
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Conor did get clipped with some solid leg kicks early in this one, but Eddie went away from them.
RT this is meltdown level stuff
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11-13-2016 , 03:50 AM
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I had Woodley-Thompson 47-47, I can understand 48-47 Thompson. I just don't see how you get 48-47 Woodley.
I can't see 48-47 Woodley, I can see 47-46 Woodley though

1st shouldn't be 10-8 but half point scoring would be 10-8.5 imo
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11-13-2016 , 03:51 AM
Woodley-Thompson rematch would be more exciting if either of them had a personality.
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11-13-2016 , 03:53 AM
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RT this is meltdown level stuff
1) You've clearly never read the TS thread

2) My take on the fights are up there, would love to hear yours. Or keep the snappy one liners coming, either way really.

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I can't see 48-47 Woodley, I can see 47-46 Woodley though

1st shouldn't be 10-8 but half point scoring would be 10-8.5 imo
1st is super hard to give a 10-8 because we had literally 2 full minutes with only two kicks thrown by WB and nothing from Woodley. Yeah, Woodley dominated the next 3, but until the very end he wasn't especially violent even on top. The 4th (that was where WB got dropped right?) seemed more clearly a 10-8 for Woodley
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11-13-2016 , 03:53 AM
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Not shocking we see two different 10-8 rounds in the ties, either could've been scored that way. 1-3-4 to Woodley seems wrong tho
I sure as **** am

There's no way you can call rd 1 a 10-8 and then call rd 4 a 10-9
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11-13-2016 , 03:54 AM
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I sure as **** am

There's no way you can call rd 1 a 10-8 and then call rd 4 a 10-9
Sorry, that was me continuing to be confused by MMA judging. Trying to predict what they give a 10-8 to is impossible.
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11-13-2016 , 03:55 AM
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I can't see 48-47 Woodley, I can see 47-46 Woodley though

1st shouldn't be 10-8 but half point scoring would be 10-8.5 imo
I thought Thompson pretty clearly won 2, 3, and 5. I tend to be hesitant to give a 10-8 unless a guy just isn't defending himself well, which I thought Wonderboy did well enough. 47-46 Woodley makes more sense than 48-47 either way, imo. giving Woodley rd 3 just makes no sense.

That is after one watch, anyway. 48-47 Woodley seemed like the least likely result.
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11-13-2016 , 03:56 AM
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1st is super hard to give a 10-8 because we had literally 2 full minutes with only two kicks thrown by WB and nothing from Woodley. Yeah, Woodley dominated the next 3, but until the very end he wasn't especially violent even on top.
Right, I thought that was what I was implying.

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The 4th (that was where WB got dropped right?) seemed more clearly a 10-8 for Woodley
massive understatement
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11-13-2016 , 03:59 AM
I'm not saying rd 1 was 10-8 guys.

I don't know if you guys have thought about half point scoring at all. It would be ideal but judges would screw it up further as the whole point is that it's more nuanced.

The correct score was a draw.
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11-13-2016 , 04:00 AM
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massive understatement
Maybe, but how do you score the end of Rd.4 then?

In Rd.1 we get nothing for 2 minutes, then a clear and dominating, if not terribly damaging last 3 minutes.

In Rd.4, we get a few heavy KDs with some nice follow up damage and a choke attempt, but that attempt goes no where ("he doesn't have a very big head") and actually leads to WB on top and throwing heavy shots to end the round.

If we aren't scoring MMA like boxing in regards to KDs, then do we still give Woodley a 10-8 even though WB weathered and actually recovered enough to finish on top and doing damage?
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11-13-2016 , 04:08 AM
I had it like judge one. Judge 2 scoring round one 10-8 but not round four 10-8 is crazy to me. Round one was a solid round, and I can even see an argument for a 10-8 tho I would not agree, but I guess being so impressed with wonderboy surviving gave him a point back? Only way I can square it.
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11-13-2016 , 04:09 AM
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Maybe, but how do you score the end of Rd.4 then?

In Rd.1 we get nothing for 2 minutes, then a clear and dominating, if not terribly damaging last 3 minutes.

In Rd.4, we get a few heavy KDs with some nice follow up damage and a choke attempt, but that attempt goes no where ("he doesn't have a very big head") and actually leads to WB on top and throwing heavy shots to end the round.

If we aren't scoring MMA like boxing in regards to KDs, then do we still give Woodley a 10-8 even though WB weathered and actually recovered enough to finish on top and doing damage?
100%

It's not just the knockdown. He took heavy blows and the damage was clear. Reversing things with seconds to go doesn't mean a whole lot, his shots didn't even land to my eye mainly. He jack hammered the mat for four or five grazing shots.
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