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10-07-2017 , 09:48 PM

#13801

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Can't wait to watch Mighty Mouse. Hate how he doesn't get love from Dana. Such a tactical stud.

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10-07-2017 , 10:41 PM

#13802

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Another draw?

Last edited by unwantedguest; 10-07-2017 at 10:43 PM. Reason: Yep

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10-08-2017 , 12:09 AM

#13803

Prawney

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That was a pretty cool move.

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10-08-2017 , 12:12 AM

#13804

Onlydo2days

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Lee might have a staph infection Rogan saying. Has a mark on his chest.

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10-08-2017 , 01:53 AM

#13805

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Main takeaway is that Conor would spark either one of these 2 inside 1 round. Struggle to see Ferguson making it to round 2 if thats the fight that is made.

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10-08-2017 , 02:35 AM

#13806

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Originally Posted by ReddBoiler

Main takeaway is that Conor would spark either one of these 2 inside 1 round. Struggle to see Ferguson making it to round 2 if thats the fight that is made.

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10-08-2017 , 03:16 AM

#13807

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Skill-wise DJ the GOAT, want to see the winner of cody vs tj fight him for 135lb title, hope we see it next. Ferguson vs Conor should happen, will be fun fight.

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10-08-2017 , 03:18 AM

#13808

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Originally Posted by ReddBoiler

Main takeaway is that Conor would spark either one of these 2 inside 1 round. Struggle to see Ferguson making it to round 2 if thats the fight that is made.

If Conor doesn't get Ferguson outa there in 2rounds Ferguson will drown him, let's not forget that Ferguson wrestling is 10x better than Mcgregor's, can he stop those takedowns?

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10-08-2017 , 08:38 AM

#13809

Onlydo2days

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yeah I wasn't very impressed with Ferguson. Think Conor probably wasn't either.

Agree the cardio difference for Ferguson/Conor is an issue though.

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10-08-2017 , 10:50 AM

#13810

DodgerIrish

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Non-staph Lee (add that to the 'sea-level Cain' pantheon) finishes Ferguson in the second or third.

Dude was just tired but you see what would've been coming for at least 3 normal pre-gassing rounds:

Stronger, more athletic fighter, with better boxing.

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10-08-2017 , 10:53 AM

#13811

Onlydo2days

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Better boxing? Definitely think Ferguson is the superior striker and it isn't even close.

Other than that I agree somewhat, but he could've always got caught in a sub. Even without the staph, the weight cut seemed pretty brutal for him and Ferguson has as for days.

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10-08-2017 , 10:59 AM

#13812

DodgerIrish

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Ferguson was getting his head knocked off in the first round. I didn't think Lee had the better boxing until post-fight.

I assume the staph factored into weight cut issues.

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10-08-2017 , 11:16 AM

#13813

Prawney

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Maybe im being too tough on Lee but getting caught in 2 deep submisisons from the bottom in the space of like a minute makes me feel that hes just not at the top level atm.

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10-08-2017 , 01:53 PM

#13814

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^^^ Ferguson would've tapped Conor in less than a minute on the ground soo not sure why you're down on Lee just because Ferguson looked awesome on the ground.

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10-08-2017 , 02:15 PM

#13815

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yeah, both looked sloppy af, horrible striking if you compare it to Conor's or Nate. Tony gets hit too much, his chin is always up, he's slow and getting old. Conor can pick him apart pretty easily. it felt like Lee wanted out of the fight anyway, he was completely drained of energy.

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10-08-2017 , 05:35 PM

#13816

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Originally Posted by Exothermic

^^^ Ferguson would've tapped Conor in less than a minute on the ground soo not sure why you're down on Lee just because Ferguson looked awesome on the ground.

Did you watch the fight? The way Ferguson was getting hit by a far inferior boxer/strikert to Conor in lee, the fight with Conor never wouldve made it to the ground. Conor wouldve sparked him within a couple of minutes.

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10-08-2017 , 05:38 PM

#13817

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They really do need to add more weight classes. It would improve the product. That fight wouldve been much better had it been fought at 165 lbs instead of 155 imo.

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10-08-2017 , 06:24 PM

#13818

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They really do need to add more weight classes. It would improve the product. That fight wouldve been much better had it been fought at 165 lbs instead of 155 imo.

I disagree with this. They are already struggling to turn fighters into huge draws as champions with the amount of weight classes there is. McGregor is a two weight champ. No need for more. Should make HW unlimited though.

Boxing has far too many weight classes and I'd hate to see MMA start to move even more in that direction than it already has.

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10-08-2017 , 06:34 PM

#13819

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I feel like they would create more draws if they improved the product and I feel adding heavier options for fighters would improve the product.

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10-08-2017 , 06:37 PM

#13820

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These drastic, unregulated weight cuts are the worst thing for sport by a mile. Screw up cards, hurt fighter's health short term, long term and make the fights themselves more dangerous because of increased brain damage while dehydrated, create worse performances from drained fighters...it's just so ****ing stupid.

Even if it can't be made perfect, simply having the winner weigh out within a percentage of the fight weight post event in order to collect their purse would get fighters closer to their real division immediately.

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10-08-2017 , 06:42 PM

#13821

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Big issue is that weight classes can't maintain momentum. The champs will go way to long between matches, so fans lose interest. Garbrandt got injured, CM took a break then fought mayweather, Bisping is holding out for GSP, featherweight was a complete train wreck for a while, etc.

Heavyweight suffered a lot because Cain was always injured for so long. Miocic should bring more consistency which will be great since HW is so inherently variance heavy anyway.

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10-08-2017 , 06:45 PM

#13822

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They should switch to how some boxing matches do multiple weigh ins. Both fighters need to be within a certain % of the weight 2 weeks out, then closer at 1 week out. They also get neurological tests + hydration tests at each weigh in.

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10-08-2017 , 06:53 PM

#13823

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It's sensible but it doubles the chances of a card getting crushed by missed weights, so there is little incentive for them to go that route.

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10-09-2017 , 11:04 PM

#13824

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Cant believe Dana said DJ is the best ever....surpassing Silva and GSP?
Comon...

Guess Dana trying to find a way to build another superstar and chose mighty mouse.

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10-10-2017 , 03:42 AM

#13825

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Best ever is always hard/impossible to judge in MMA. I mean the 'real' best ever is just the best HW ever. DJ's resume is underrated in terms of the P4P way most people think about it.