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11-13-2016 , 05:23 AM
By the way, how long and how hard do you think Conor's bird has been trying to get pregnant? Lying about birth control? Poking holes in condoms?

She's been one ring girl catching his eye away from being on a plane back to Dublin and a job at some pub for a couple years now.
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11-13-2016 , 05:25 AM
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I don't know how anyone other than Conor fans would want anything other than Khabib at this point. The hype and trash talk would be insane, and that fight is almost guaranteed to end spectacularly.
This

The countdown for Conor to "go there" on Russia and---wait for it---Islam would be spectacular.
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11-13-2016 , 05:41 AM
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I think Conor vs Khabib would be an amazing fight. I'd be super scared as a Conor fan even though I always underestimate him. Just feel like if it goes badly it goes really badly.
On paper it feels like the ultimate all-or-nothing. But I'm not sure.

The thing about Khabib's gnp is that it's much heavier than it is explosive. It's gotta SUCK to be absorbing that hellfire, but he doesn't appear to be doing much neurological damage. If McG gets taken down with, say, 3:30 on the clock, my money is on him surviving the round. And I think a beat up Conor trying to land that bomb in Rd 2-5 while desperate to avoid another takedown could be spectacular.

I would like to see the weigh-in photos before I predict this one. Not that Khabib needs to be larger than you to rip your heart out and eat it in front of you, but if Conor looks much taller/longer/bigger he'll probably have an easier time keeping the distance and landing at range.
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11-13-2016 , 06:13 AM
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I sure as **** am

There's no way you can call rd 1 a 10-8 and then call rd 4 a 10-9
Holy **** I just realized this actually happened. That first round is never 10-8 for me, and if it is then every other obvious round is too, including Rd 4 (and hell, maybe even Rd 5 by that standard, because it was essentially a WB shutout). The only reason Rd 1 even got 10-8 consideration is the blood. Short and/or grazing elbows are the worst. And naturally that made Rd 4 look even worse when the cut opened up again.

I definitely scored Rd 4 10-8 and the fight 47-47. That said, it would be interested to see how many people would have called it a 10-9 if Rogan had been calmly saying "Wonderboy is going to pop his head out here," instead of screaming about how tight it was and how it would be over any second (or if TW had been working for a kimura or something that looks less touch and go than even a **** guillotine looks).

Personally I thought the bombs were enough.....for me 10-8 is basically for when you thought it was going to end, and I sure as hell thought this was a wrap. I also give Woodley the benefit of the doubt since he gave WB the top position in order to attempt that **** guillotine....the same way I don't penalize a guy for finishing on the bottom when he tries some cartwheel nonsense with ten seconds left. I might lean 10-9 if WB had scored a quick takedown there instead.
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11-13-2016 , 06:57 AM
Don't know what Rogan and Goldberg were talking about in R1 of Weidman-Romero. Weidman won the round but he wasn't making Romero work that hard. Romero looked a lot fresher in the 2nd round than he has been in previous fights.

Can't quite tell if Romero saw the takedown coming and perfectly timed the knee, or if he was throwing it anyway and Weidman happened to be in exactly the worst possible position.
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11-13-2016 , 07:36 AM
Romero has excellent innate timing. He's not a high volume fighter and he hasn't had a long career but he has nevertheless achieved some of the most startling examples of pinpoint violence in MMA history.

The elbow against Tavares, the spinning back fist against Jacare, and now this knee against Weidman are the best examples.

He'd had ten minutes plus to feel out Weidman's timing, and I think he probably just sensed a level change and launched.
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11-13-2016 , 08:37 AM
Conor won 2 belts in dominant fashion and still has some doubters. Its why hes the GOAT
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11-13-2016 , 09:17 AM
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The fight seemed likely to be over multiple times in rd 4. None of them were a WB product.

WB showed so much in that round though, he wowed me in a big way.
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100%

It's not just the knockdown. He took heavy blows and the damage was clear. Reversing things with seconds to go doesn't mean a whole lot, his shots didn't even land to my eye mainly. He jack hammered the mat for four or five grazing shots.
Agreed.

Not saying those who had Wonderboy winning on points, but mma scoring is broken if that's the case. Woodley was never in trouble.
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11-13-2016 , 10:09 AM
Watched the three big ones again (Yoel, Wonderboy-TW, Conor).

Yoel knee was definitely by design. You can see a clear progression from rounds one through three as he gradually figured out Chris's timing. In Rd 1 almost all of Weidman's level changes were effective, either earning him a takedown or at least opening up the strikes. In Rd 2 you can see Yoel beginning to anticipate his movements enough to stuff the shots. By Rd 3 he had him pegged. One or two seconds before the big knee Chris dropped his head to change levels and Romero was all over it. When Chris went for it again a moment later Yoel was already launching himself at the first twitch of Weidman's muscle.
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11-13-2016 , 10:55 AM
I know it is hard to quantify, so much of scoring is subjective anyway in mma, but I wonder if real consideration should not be given when a guy takes an onslaught of the other fighter's best attempt to finish and survives it and regains the advantage? I mean there is not one of us who did not become more impressed with wonderboy after round 4 and come away thinking he had an element as a fighter that adds to his assets. Maybe taking everything someone has and shaking it off and becoming the aggressor again does deserve a 10-9?
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11-13-2016 , 10:57 AM
As a Conor hater if he even takes a fight with Khabib, I'll really respect that. But the way the ufc is going that is very unlikely to happen. My guess is he'll fight Ferg then move to another division.

And his boxing is pretty damn impressive, its like every shot he throws he lands flush and drops his opponent. I would probably be a fan if he shut his mouth and dropped the stupid act lol
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11-13-2016 , 11:12 AM
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As a Conor hater if he even takes a fight with Khabib, I'll really respect that. But the way the ufc is going that is very unlikely to happen. My guess is he'll fight Ferg then move to another division.
As a Conor hater who gradually accepts that the world is not the way it should be according to me, I have to ask myself why on earth would he fight either ferg or khabib?

The only reasons for him to do so would not square up with anything he has done or been asked to do previously. He has no desire, or pressure, to ever take a fight without significant upside. He has been threatened with the belt being stripped. It has not been. Aldo has earned the right for a rematch now, if he didn't deserve the instant rematch, and it is denied to the point of maybe losing him off the roster. Kahbib and Fergeson and Edgar and holloway have all had to kick rocks and essentially truely act like belt holders cleaning out a division while he fought Diaz twice at a 170 and skipped the line to 155. Why he is suddenly going to take khabib because it is the toughest and correct fight with the only two outcomes being ****ed up, or a single defense against a fighter who is only popular with real fans?

He has never defended his belt. He did not come through the rankings like the fighters I mentioned above. If khabib and ferg and holloway have been terrible enough in self promotion to have to clean out divisions for years without getting a shot, they are not the draw Conor is looking for IMO.

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11-13-2016 , 11:28 AM
Woodley next for a 3rd belt makes sense and its a fight he might win imo
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11-13-2016 , 12:09 PM
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Well, let's start with Porier, who I said is an impressive win of him (do largely to size) since before that he wasn't fighting a bunch of top-10 guys.

After that we get Siver who's who's entirely unimpressive.

Then it's on to Chad, who took the fight on two weeks notice, and thoroughly outwrestled him and cut him in the first round before gassing in the second.

Next its Aldo. One exchange in which he landed a great punch and won the belt. Obviously, he's a big win, but it's one exchange. Anyone that's not a Conor slappy can see we have a problem with sample size. (For the record, I think Conor wins a possible rematch, but that's beside the point).

After Aldo he runs into unstoppable 190 lb-on-fight-day LW destroyer Nate Diaz. Yeah, Nate's coming off of 11 days notice and is soaked in Tiquila, but Diaz brothers always are at 100% and besides, Nate's physical tools make this fight almost unwinnable for Conor (note: when Conor has a reach or weight edge on someone, it's just good planning). To the shock of no one, Nate sleeps him in 8 minutes, but Conor was winning until he wasn't, so really who cares.

Fights Nate again and eeks out a Majority Decision (I think it should've been UD 48-47, but whatever) where despite dropping Nate three times, he can't put him away. Joking aside, he makes some great adjustments with his kicks and seems to have picked up some solid TDD, although Nate didn't really give it a ton of effort.

That brings us to tonight where he takes out a top 5 LW in Alvarez very soundly, which I agreed was his best showing.

That's his career to this point. If it weren't for some fortuitous timing and a boatload of PR, we wouldn't have to have stupid discussions like these. He's a great fighter, and his next fight against Khabib or Ferg is going to be awesome, but stop with the GOAT stuff.
Max?
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11-13-2016 , 12:19 PM
Conor is such a mf boss
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11-13-2016 , 12:20 PM
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why on earth would he fight either ferg or khabib?
He wouldn't. I think Conor should fight Aldo and Diaz should fight Ferg. Conor fights winner of Diaz Ferg no matter the results of the Aldo fight.
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11-13-2016 , 12:21 PM
I know people want to see Conor fight Khabib but I doubt that will happen in the next 12 months if ever.

Conor would be taking a massive pay cut to fight Khabib. Khabib needs to get his hype up a little more and it's doable.
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11-13-2016 , 12:42 PM
He wouldn't be taking a massive pay cut to fight Khabib at all.

He is pretty damn close to naming his price.

He just broke the PPV record with Alvarez who isn't more of a name than Khabib.
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11-13-2016 , 12:45 PM
Alvarez only got the fight because he had the title.
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11-13-2016 , 12:46 PM
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He wouldn't be taking a massive pay cut to fight Khabib at all.

He is pretty damn close to naming his price.

He just broke the PPV record with Alvarez who isn't more of a name than Khabib.
He will make more fighting Diaz, woodley or Aldo with the Diaz fight having the most significant risk to his brand. Aldo sets up trilogy. Woodley has built in excuse to lose and no belt to give up. He could fight anyone else on earth and get as many views and as much upside with less risk as he would fighting khabib.
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11-13-2016 , 12:47 PM
All the new to the sport casuals I know love Conor and have no clue who Khabib is. Khabib should be trying to fight Diaz or anyone with any hype behind them at all.
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11-13-2016 , 12:50 PM
People in line before Khabib

Mayweather
Aldo
Diaz
GSP
Ferg if stays active
Maybe Woodley too

By the time Conor is finished with this list more big fights willl emerge. It's not fair for Khabib but this is the fight game.
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11-13-2016 , 12:55 PM
If Conor can make 145, which at this point I doubt, a fight with Aldo might be his safest. He's still got the large physical advantage and he's already beaten Aldo mentally so that's easy.

If he wants to stay at 155, he can go Ferg or Nate before he has to consider Khabib, even though I don't think it's a mortal lock he loses to Khabib.
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11-13-2016 , 12:57 PM
Why can't Conor make 145? According to coach Kav his new cardio routine makes it much easier for him to make weight and has his walking around weight smaller than ever.
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11-13-2016 , 12:58 PM
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Would love Eddie to be so delusional that he would stand with Conor
thanks edward
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