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08-21-2016 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
As far as CMG/Aldo....Think CmG walks through him if they fight again, you aren't beating CmG at 145 without superior wrestling ability.
Aldo may not be able to handle him at 145 (still unknown tbh) but I think Cerrone would have the measure of Conor at 155. He has all the tools to beat him everywhere, I think it would be really bad for Mc.
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08-21-2016 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
RT his power didn't lessen unless I was watching a different fight. Fs twice he beat Diaz about the ring, rocked him I don't know how many times. No idea how many 155's could take that power but it won't be many as they aren't all called Diaz.
So you're just trolling then? He's unloaded on Nate for over 30 minutes now and never put him on queer street. Even the knockdowns didn't do anything but putt Nate on his ass, and after he immediate moved to a defensive posture fully aware of what he was doing. .

Conor's greatest skill is his power, but you're either trolling or not watching if you don't see his power as more even with the rest of the class as he moves up. That's yet again just how fighting works.

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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
@RT

Why Cowboy title shot "cheap"?

Who else would get it? Besides the RDA losses, he has been winning fights for awhile now and even beat Alvarez. Not like anyone else is really at the top of that list.

Cowboy/McGregor probably makes a lot more $$ than Alvarez/McGregor as well. Or maybe Cowboy/Diaz and winner gets CmG.
I mean, I love Cowboy nd really want to see him get the belt, but he hasn't fought at 155 in 3 fights. Hes still ranked but the moving weight classes thing makes it awkward.

Id like then to give it to Cowboy, then Conor/Cowboy, then Khabib for the winner.
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08-21-2016 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
So you're just trolling then? He's unloaded on Nate for over 30 minutes and never out him on queer street. Even the knockdowns didn't do anything but putt Nate on his ass, and after he immediate moved to a defensive posture fully aware of what he was doing. .

Conor's greatest skill is his power, but you're either trolling or not watching if you don't see his power as more even with the rest of the class as he moves up. That's yet again just how fighting works.



I mean, I love Cowboy nd really want to see him get the belt, but he hasn't fought at 155 in 3 fights. Hes still ranked but the moving weight classes thing makes it awkward.

Id like then to give it to Cowboy, then Conor/Cowboy, then Khabib for the winner.
Lol not trolling. And he did have him on queer street numerous times but was obviously unable to go to the ground to follow up - leads back to what you were saying previously about his rotten ground game. After Mc gassed the power was gone but before that there was plenty.

If he can beat the 170lb man about the cage I don't doubt he can do the same at 155.
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08-21-2016 , 01:58 PM
What happened to GSP's return? I assume GSP wants Conor for all the obvious reasons.

Would think Conor has no use for that now though. Can make $ without GSP and the fight is terrible for him obviously.
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08-21-2016 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Kowabunghole
Diaz is literally the worst possible matchup for Conor. He's got cardio for days and a brain the size of a peanut that can't get knocked out. Ignoring these factors and just going on his track record is missing the point on why this is an impressive and clear victory for Conor
As others have said he is a bad match up but no way is he the worst. Remember that Conor was going to challenge Lawler (an ACTUAL ww) if he beat Nate and when you watch the highlights of Nate vs Rory it is laughable to call Nate a ww. He got rag dolled and suplexed to smithereens. There are tons of fighters who are literally worse match ups for Conor. Yes it is hard to find a more durable fighter than Diaz, but believing he is the only one who can take Conor's shots because he is the first to do it remains to be proven.

What is proven now is Conor can throw those shots for 10 minutes if he paces himself and 5 if he doesn't.
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08-21-2016 , 02:04 PM
Ha, my bad Marty, thought I was responding to the other guy with the trolling thing
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08-21-2016 , 02:07 PM
Lol
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08-21-2016 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
If he can beat the 170lb man about the cage I don't doubt he can do the same at 155.
Cowboy demolishes Story at 170 in spectacular fashion last night in (contrast to a very, very close decision against large, non-cut lightweight by cm) yet he got wrecked by RDA at light-weight.

Does that change your mind at all?
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08-21-2016 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
What happened to GSP's return? I assume GSP wants Conor for all the obvious reasons.

Would think Conor has no use for that now though. Can make $ without GSP and the fight is terrible for him obviously.
GSP is a super boring fighter who would lay and pray his way to victory over cm.

He's like the Guillermo Rigondeaux of MMA. A terrific technician capable of great offense but normally chooses to play to his strengths which are boring

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08-21-2016 , 02:18 PM
Kinda of ashamed I never thought of the GSP/Rigo comparison. That's very apt.
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08-21-2016 , 02:21 PM
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08-21-2016 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
GSP is a super boring fighter who would lay and pray his way to victory over cm.

He's like the Guillermo Rigondeaux of MMA. A terrific technician capable of great offense but normally chooses to play to his strengths which are boring

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I agree GSP puts me to sleep. I don't want to see him vs CM really, but I did figure that UFC would want to make it happen.

Conor is probably good on that.

BTW, if anyone watches the video I linked Conor does say "he has a lot of options now, some not in this sport"
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08-21-2016 , 02:27 PM
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Cowboy demolishes Story at 170 in spectacular fashion last night in (contrast to a very, very close decision against large, non-cut lightweight by cm) yet he got wrecked by RDA at light-weight.

Does that change your mind at all?
Not sure what you're asking tbh. I do think CM at 155 will have power comparable with his peers.

If the question is about Cerrone....I wasn't talking about him in my OP.

Last edited by unwantedguest; 08-21-2016 at 02:28 PM. Reason: I maybe should have cut the Cerrone thing from RT's op as well.
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08-21-2016 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
GSP is a super boring fighter who would lay and pray his way to victory over cm.

He's like the Guillermo Rigondeaux of MMA. A terrific technician capable of great offense but normally chooses to play to his strengths which are boring

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Gsp would ground and pound cm into a stain on the canvas.
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08-21-2016 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
Not sure what you're asking tbh. I do think CM at 155 will have power comparable with his peers.

If the question is about Cerrone....I wasn't talking about him in my OP.
Sorry. What I am saying is you said that cm beating up Diaz at 170 proves he could easily do that to a 55 pounder. I am saying that cowboy actually beat the **** of a 170 story and finished him is contrast to cm barely winning a decision, yet the 55 pound fighters in question that cm will face include RDA who wrecked coyboy.

It is just an illustration that the logic is not linear that way.
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08-21-2016 , 03:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZfpoCd9MTU

Just saw this. CM seems pretty damn lukewarm about fighting Aldo at 145.

lol CM saying if they give his belt to Aldo then the division is buried. Knows he is the $ maker.

Also ended the interview by saying he feels "**** is about to hit the fan", sounds like he wants some form of co-promotion.

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08-21-2016 , 03:00 PM
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Fire away, this is the MMA thread unless you fancy hanging with the snobs in EDF.
There's discussion: here, SB, and EDF

Diff groups in each but overlap as well obv, this is prbly the thread for you tbh

Also (and I know it wasn't Marty that I'm responding to) the diff in ranking is those are specific to the weight class. Cerrone is 'new' to 170 while that's Stories home. Cerrone is ranked very highly at 155.

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I wasn't correcting you, as much as I was qualifying it. Broker is, as I believe Conor is, a cheap imitation of Floyd.

Broner tried to copy Floyd the same way, he even won a world title, until he hit some real opposition and lost while getting literally humped by his opponent in the ring.
Makes sense. So we agree he's emulating Floyd tho. I didn't speak to his efficacy at it.

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Adding leg kicks to punches isn't really another demission of note. It's MMA striking, you're supposed to use all four limbs.

His TDD was solid until the very end of the fight, but he also refused to follow Nate to the ground when he knocked him down. We all know why, and it was 100% correct on conor's part, but it's still an area where he's totally outclassed.

He lost in the clinch by a laughably large margin, so there's no saving that one.

The story is the same, he's one of the few athletes that can get themselves down to a weight class below what their contemporaries can. At that weight class he's got considerable power and range. As he loves up to a more "natural" weight, his power lessens and his opponents cam focus on his weaknesses, like his limited cardio and average ground game.
Reads as Anthony Johnson sans power. Conor's power is still tbd @ 170 imo.

Extremely small sample size. And the sample is obv not a fair representation of the field.

It's like saying Johnson's power doesn't translate bc he couldn't put Mike Kyle (I went to high school with him and Justin Eilers) away.
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08-21-2016 , 03:00 PM
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Sorry. What I am saying is you said that cm beating up Diaz at 170 proves he could easily do that to a 55 pounder. I am saying that cowboy actually beat the **** of a 170 story and finished him is contrast to cm barely winning a decision, yet the 55 pound fighters in question that cm will face include RDA who wrecked coyboy.

It is just an illustration that the logic is not linear that way.
Nps. I didn't mean he could do anything easily, I meant I have no doubt 155's will feel Conor's power if/when he hits them. Bit of a difference.

Obviously not linear but my simple thinking is CM was beating Diaz about the place at 170, he's as tough/durable as they come - I see no reason why that power doesn't stay with Conor v smaller guys. Not sure Story is known for being durable and he def won't have Nate levels of durability.
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08-21-2016 , 03:05 PM
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Nps. I didn't say he could do anything easily, I said I have no doubt 155's will feel Conor's power. Bit of a difference.

Obviously not linear but my simple thinking is CM was beating Diaz about the place at 170, he's as tough/durable as they come - I see no reason why that power doesnt stay with Conor v smaller guys. Not sure Story is know for being durable and he def won't have Nate levels of durability.
Agree with all of this. Not putting Diaz away is not neccesarily an indication that his power doesn't translate as he moves up now that you mention it. I guess we will see who can take his shots at 55 and who can't.
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08-21-2016 , 03:06 PM
**** ya Story is known for being durable

lol he's been in the UFC forever and that was his first finish via strikes and his other was Maia squeezing the blood out of his nose
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08-21-2016 , 03:13 PM
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**** ya Story is known for being durable

lol he's been in the UFC forever and that was his first finish via strikes and his other was Maia squeezing the blood out of his nose
Regardless nobody could have taken that combination by cowboy including Diaz.
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08-21-2016 , 03:14 PM
Not sure = no idea lol.

Haha still confusing him for Jake Shields even now.
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08-21-2016 , 03:17 PM
Also, CM might not be Floyd but Broner?!?!

CM is moving units on PPV like nobody else and KO'd the GOAT in his weight class in 13 seconds.

Comparing him to Broner in any sense is an insult. He has succeeded in marketing and in the cage. Dude is a MMA $ machine right now. Something only a few guys have ever been able to do. And certainly none at the lower weight classes.
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08-21-2016 , 03:28 PM
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Regardless nobody could have taken that combination by cowboy including Diaz.
Wait, what's the point that's being made here?

Someone said they don't even know if Story is durable.

And Diaz and Cerrone fought, apparently Diaz could avoid that combo by staying in his face en route to the W. We'll see if that were to change with a rematch.

I don't remember the fight that well but remember Cerrone being like wtf at Diaz's boxing.
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08-21-2016 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Also, CM might not be Floyd but Broner?!?!

CM is moving units on PPV like nobody else and KO'd the GOAT in his weight class in 13 seconds.

Comparing him to Broner in any sense is an insult. He has succeeded in marketing and in the cage. Dude is a MMA $ machine right now. Something only a few guys have ever been able to do. And certainly none at the lower weight classes.
ya I just wasn't going to argue boxing analogies with a boxing fan
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