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10-17-2011 , 06:48 PM
at Ravens is not a bad loss, and the team was competitive without the best receiver in the nfl

and for once, it wasn't obviously kubiak's fault

the schedule gets easy for a while, as long as you don't **** the bed against the loltitans you'll still win the division
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10-17-2011 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Needle77
Gabbert is ****ing brutal. He's worse than a rookie QB. Tim Tebow is head and shoulders above him. Its disgusting.
Yep. Maybe not a bust just yet but boy does he look like a bad prospect. At least he was elite in college... wait no? Oops...
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10-17-2011 , 07:17 PM
Really? I liked what I saw out of Gabbert when he played the Saints; he obviously has a way to go but he has a lot of the tools. Dunno if accuracy is an issue or pocket awareness or what, but I liked his arm and mobility.
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10-17-2011 , 07:29 PM
The way he drops back his footwork looks awkward. It works for him, sorta, but I've never seen anything quite like it.
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10-17-2011 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
at Ravens is not a bad loss, and the team was competitive without the best receiver in the nfl

and for once, it wasn't obviously kubiak's fault

the schedule gets easy for a while, as long as you don't **** the bed against the loltitans you'll still win the division
You realize how easy it is for Houston to lose to Tennessee?

No, @ Ravens and losing isn't a surprise but they were outscored by more than double. They didn't come close to covering. They couldn't pick up a yard on 4th and 1, and one of their touchdowns was a long bomb over Reed's head, no variance in that at all. They also recovered all 3 fumbles.

It was "competetive" for 3 quarters, which is standard M.O. for Gary Douchebiak. It's impossible for his teams to play 60 minutes, or even 45 minutes usually.

Nobody expected them to go in and win that game but come on don't act like playing Tennessee is some cakewalk. Tennessee could easily beat the Texans, especially since the Texans are so good at beating themselves.

And I hate when people say "Well they're without Andre, so..." So, what? Good teams have depth. That's part of being a good team - every team deals with key losses. Not having Kevin Walter and Jacoby Jones as your #2 and #3 receivers is a skill. They've just had to waste 90% of their draft picks over the last 5 years on D-linemen and corners. It all tells a story and the story sucks and I'm sick of it.
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10-18-2011 , 10:33 AM
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“At $500,000 per game, they knew he would be down 4-6 weeks. They didn’t want to pay that bill,” Irby wrote to Tania Ganguli of the Florida Times-Union. “Now you know the difference between a first-class organization like Indy, and a sorry organization like the Jags. Indy gave their QB a contract even though he couldn’t play all season.
LOL jags.
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10-18-2011 , 10:50 AM
I wouldn't want to pay David Garrard 8 million a year either.
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10-18-2011 , 12:23 PM
Contrary to what Garrard's agent might say, the is nothing LOL about cutting Garrard rather than paying him a few million if he isn't going to play.

The difference isn't the organizations, its the QBs.

The team doesn't have a lot of long term use for Garrard, so if he can't help now, then he isn't worth paying.
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10-18-2011 , 02:46 PM
...so let's cut him 3 days before the regular season so he can't get a job anywhere else, trot him out for the "meet the Jags" presser even though we cut him that morning, then pretend it's not about the money, it's about Luke McCown playing better

lol Jags. stay classy
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10-18-2011 , 02:57 PM
Using him to sell tickets was pretty bush league.

Cutting him makes a lot more sense now that we know how hurt he really was. I assume the plan all along was Keep Garrard for this year and then hand the reigns over to Gabbert. If Garrard can't actually play though, then why bother keeping him around and paying the money?

This comes with the territory of a big contract. If you get paid a bunch, don't act shocked when the ax comes down if you aren't that good.
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10-18-2011 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
...so let's cut him 3 days before the regular season so he can't get a job anywhere else, trot him out for the "meet the Jags" presser even though we cut him that morning, then pretend it's not about the money, it's about Luke McCown playing better

lol Jags. stay classy
Yeah, this. Cutting him is standard. Waiting this long knowing all he's gone is shady although I'm not convinced he'd have a job with the neck issue.
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10-18-2011 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNoodleMan
Using him to sell tickets was pretty bush league.

Cutting him makes a lot more sense now that we know how hurt he really was. I assume the plan all along was Keep Garrard for this year and then hand the reigns over to Gabbert. If Garrard can't actually play though, then why bother keeping him around and paying the money?

This comes with the territory of a big contract. If you get paid a bunch, don't act shocked when the ax comes down if you aren't that good.
Can't have it both ways. You can cut him for bad performance, but if he's injured on the job, you can't cut him for that injury without reaching some kind of settlement.
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10-18-2011 , 03:11 PM
It's the NFL, not charity.

What the Colts are doing is not the standard. What the Jags did is much closer to the standard. Football players are pieces of meat.

The difference is one slab of meat is Peyton Manning. Colts probably have plans for him wrt their organization for the next several decades. You don't **** over a guy like that. David Garrard.. is different.
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10-18-2011 , 03:11 PM
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Can't have it both ways. You can cut him for bad performance, but if he's injured on the job, you can't cut him for that injury without reaching some kind of settlement.
'My back hurts' is kind of a gray area.

As far as I know, there isn't any concrete evidence suggesting this is a specific injury that happened this year in camp. If that was the case, then they would owe him a settlement. It seems like this was a lingering issue from the offseason / previous seasons, in which case they probably don't owe him an injury settlement.
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10-18-2011 , 03:14 PM
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It's the NFL, not charity.
No one ever suggested it was. WTF are you on about?
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What the Colts are doing is not the standard. What the Jags did is much closer to the standard. Football players are pieces of meat.

The difference is one slab of meat is Peyton Manning. Colts probably have plans for him wrt their organization for the next several decades. You don't **** over a guy like that. David Garrard.. is different.
Well, if you want other pieces of meat to come work for your organization, it helps if they don't see you ****ing over your other pieces of meat.
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10-18-2011 , 03:21 PM
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Well, if you want other pieces of meat to come work for your organization, it helps if they don't see you ****ing over your other pieces of meat.
Hire Temple Grandin as GM, problem solved.

Don't let the autism or total lack of football background scare you off, she'd still be an upgrade over Gene Smith.
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10-18-2011 , 04:29 PM
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No one ever suggested it was. WTF are you on about?
You said "so let's cut him 3 days before the season so he can't get a job".

This is begging the question.

But anyway, cutting him sooner (how do you know when they determined he was not worth keeping?) would have been more "charitable" of them. Doesn't change the fact that you can cut players whenever.
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10-18-2011 , 05:05 PM
It's the second time in five years that the Del Rio Jags have cut their starting QB right before the start of the regular season. I think that says a lot about how they operate.

It says a lot more to me about the talent evaluation and interpersonal abilities of the front office, than it does to suggest that there were two situations where a team somehow both couldn't figure out who the starter was until right before the season and then also decided that even when the picture was so murky that straight-up cutting the other guy was the best option, and that those were good moves made in good faith.
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10-18-2011 , 05:14 PM
OK I'm not denying their organization might be sub-par or many other negative adjectives but you are effectively suggesting they owed Garrard better treatment. I doubt that was built into his contract. The superior treatment Manning has gotten is above and beyond what an average starter should expect.

Garrard can whine about it on his radio show if he wants.
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10-18-2011 , 05:34 PM
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OK I'm not denying their organization might be sub-par or many other negative adjectives but you are effectively suggesting they owed Garrard better treatment. I doubt that was built into his contract.
They don't "owe" him in the sense of "it's in his contract", but they "owe" him in the sense of "it is bad for future business relationships to treat someone you do business with like this."
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10-18-2011 , 06:35 PM
I agree being charitable is sometimes +EV. I don't see why anyone who isn't David Garrard should care about this, though.
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10-18-2011 , 08:19 PM
That article/comment was pretty LOL though. It's not like the Colts were going to cut Peyton but decided to give him a free year's pay.
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10-18-2011 , 08:21 PM
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The superior treatment Manning has gotten is above and beyond what an average starter should expect.
What has Manning got that's been "superior" (other than the big contract).
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10-18-2011 , 09:03 PM
Sims-Walker back to Jacksonville.

Please...someone put me out of my misery.
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10-19-2011 , 09:09 AM
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I don't see why anyone who isn't David Garrard should care about this, though.
Umm

Every Jag fan that has purchased Jag schwag or game tickets? Agents of players and any other possible front office talent that does not want to be associated with the organization? The actual players on the roster?

Possibly all of those people.
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