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09-25-2011 , 11:49 PM
Colts looked more than decent. Good play from everyone other than QB and punt coverage.
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09-25-2011 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Colts looked more than decent. Good play from everyone other than QB and punt coverage.
Sure, but it's just one game. Temperance is the word of the day imo.

The DEF has to be an one-off sort of thing. They're capable of these games, but it's not really the way they're built, so to speak.

The O-line is really young (save for Saturday obv) and it would be a great sign if they start to show serious improvement. There's a lot of talent there, and Peyton will only make them better.
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09-26-2011 , 12:02 AM
I'm still gonna lay more blame on the O for today's loss. I mean a defense can't hold Brees down forever, they need some help from the O staying on the field.

Game was lost on the 2nd drive in the 4th quarter first play easy little touch pass (Schaub is awful at these) to Tate that he should have caught and had like an 8 yard gain but he drops it. Clock stops. 2nd and 10 they run for a yard. Third and 9 they throw a stupid pass play then end up punting. It might sound nitty of me but god damn Schaub and Tate HAVE to complete that play there. Winning teams make that play. Losing teams don't. You get 2nd and 3 there with the clock running and the ENTIRE drive can play out differently.

Basically every offensive playcall in the 4th quarter (after the Casey TD) Schaub looked like he reverted back to his 2007ish clueless self. He was throwing at the back of guys' legs and ****. Just looked like a total clown. He'll never be better than a top 10ish QB.

O-line run blocking didn't look great today either. Tate was stopped plenty of times right at the line and you haven't seen that a lot the last year and a half on this team.

Schaub was targetting AJ wayyy too often today, which isn't a good sign. It's almost a sign of regression. Back in 2009 Walter and Daniels were way more a part of the offense. It seems like he used to be better at spreading the ball out and now hes just zoning in on AJ every play.

Casey looked incredible today though, which was a good sign.

Red zone offense looked horrific as always. This offense is designed around big fields. It's laden with naked bootlegs and big plays to AJ or the tight ends. When the field is short we just can't develop those plays. We never throw slants (we probably would to Jacoby if he could ****ing catch th ball) and we never run delayed handoffs, which to this day I don't understand. We've got the personnel for it and imo a delayed handoff inside hte 10 yard line is a strong play. WHY WHY WHY do we not use this!? Why no slants!? Why do we never throw fades to AJ!?

It's like Kubiak doesn't want to use "standard" plays and has to think up something fancy and stupid.

We got almost NO pressure on Brees today, and frankly were LUCKY that he threw 2 INTS because he was not under pressure. 1 sack, wow. Let's face it we ran hot and I predicted in the 4th quarter minutes before the INT that "Schaub has ran hot all day and I predict a turnover will lose us this game". Boom just minutes later he forces an inexplicably pass to AJ that is easily picked off.

Entire 4th quarter Brees completed 8 yard passes over the middle. NO adjustment made by the D.

Moral of the story: Good teams find ways to win and bad teams find ways to lose. Payton and Brees are good. Kubiak and Schaub are not. End of ****ing story.

The good news, is that Pittsburg looked awful tonight and so we might actually be able to win next week.



Also, can we ****ing cut Kareem Jackson already? This clownass does nothing but lead with his helmet or commit 40 yard DPI penalties. Make a ****ing PLAY bro.

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Before the game started I assumed we'd lose and wouldn't cover but when it was 26-17 in the 4th that was a WINable game and we **** the bed.
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09-26-2011 , 12:04 AM
Kenny Britt injury seals the deal tho, Texans need to hit their usual 8-8 and they make it in
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09-26-2011 , 12:09 AM
Make it in = lose by 21 points in the first round of the playoffs and we waste another year of AJ's prime.
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09-26-2011 , 12:36 AM
idk, we'd host a wild card team at home

so prolly lose on a Schaub INT
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09-26-2011 , 12:40 AM
When Brees had to make a play today he looked unstoppable. He basically imposed his will on us. A harrowing reminder of what an elite QB actually can do for a team. He was robotic.
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09-26-2011 , 12:51 AM
Sure, having Kareem Jackson in the opposing secondary has that effect on QBs
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09-26-2011 , 03:00 AM
Texans lost because Kubiak is a ****ty red-zone play caller and because he didn't try to score at the end of the first half as much as anything. They could have been up 27-10 at halftime if they'd tried.
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09-26-2011 , 03:07 AM
Coaches who are willing to take field goals time and time again are letting wins slip past and there's no way the uber conservatism benefits their career. Sure they may take flak for not going for a field goal after some loss but over the season being aggressive has to be worth enough wins to offset that. Not super aggro, just mean as aggro as the top 5 coaches.
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09-26-2011 , 11:26 AM
It is impressive how badly the coaching staff is utilizing Dallas Clark.

When he isn't blocking Mario Williams or James Harrison one on one, he is being force fed a fade route with Polamalu draped all over him.
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09-26-2011 , 11:42 AM
How many Steeler fans were at the game last night? And how ****ing annoying were they?
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09-26-2011 , 12:03 PM
A bunch, and they're annoying.

I started exposing the fake bandwagoners by asking them to name all 3 rivers. Hilarity ensued.
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09-26-2011 , 12:14 PM
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I started exposing the fake bandwagoners by asking them to name all 3 rivers. Hilarity ensued.
nice, that's nice
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09-26-2011 , 12:32 PM
Haha, TNM, nice.

I'd also like an explanation how Jacksonville beat the Titans. Holy **** is Jax bad.
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09-26-2011 , 12:36 PM
Disappointing day for the Texan's playcallers.

F morale victories, but having the Saints gripping at home is a pretty decent result.

The redzone playcalling is beyond atrocious Kubes. 'Btch im cutr' ain't gonna cut it.

Wade's insistence to trust his 4 man rush on 3rd down was beyond tilting. Brees owns man D, just rush 3 and drop infinite ffs one time.
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09-26-2011 , 04:04 PM
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F morale victories, but having the Saints gripping at home is a pretty decent result.

Wade's insistence to trust his 4 man rush on 3rd down was beyond tilting. Brees owns man D, just rush 3 and drop infinite ffs one time.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Having them "gripping" at home is meaningless if you can't close out. You can't do anything in the playoffs (our goal, I assume) if you can't play for 60 minutes. Yes it's a dumb cliche but Jesus Christ is it applicable to this ****ing idiot coach of ours, who loves playing 30 or 45.

Dropping infinite isn't a great option on this team because our secondary depth is really terrible. I mean is it better to put out a better scheme with worse players, or a worse scheme with better players? I don't know but having 6 dbs out on the field isn't exactly inspiring for this team.

Can someone please explain to me why the Texans never run slants, fades, or delayed hand-offs? I don't know a lot about football but I watch a lot of it and it seems like these plays are run a lot inside the 10 yard line by many teams. I mean I think it's a fair question. Naked bootlegs when the field is 45 feet deep are ****ing ******oville.
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09-26-2011 , 04:42 PM
Playing the Saints to a dead heat in a ridiculous atmosphere is infinitely 'better' than having train ran on your ass. The refs found a 'hand to the face' penalty with the Texans driving up 10 early in the 2nd and took 4 points off the board when they ignored a blatant interference on 'Dre. But whatever, they were up 2 scores in the final period, I don't think that should be ignored.

As for the defensive playcalling, it is a general concept that when your secondary personnel can not match up with the corresponding offensive personnel that you will shift your schemes to zone dominant. Historically, Brees has been a guy to struggle versus zone looks.

Instead, Wade lived and died with C2/c1 robber man under rushing 4 on crucial downs. Consistently, the Saint personnel would defeat one on one matchups as the Saint Oline offered great protection in 5 on 4 situations. Wade could have diverged from that tactic and dropped 8 into zone or staying in c2 man and dropping a LB in hook zones.

There was no excuse for the red zone execution or play calling ime.
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09-26-2011 , 04:57 PM
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Playing the Saints to a dead heat in a ridiculous atmosphere is infinitely 'better' than having train ran on your ass.
So, in your opinion the only two options yesterday were:

1) Being up big with 14 minutes left and losing by 7
2) Getting blown out from the get-go

Are you Rich Lord, or do you work for the Texans? At the 14:54 mark of the 4th quarter Texans had to be strong favorites to win.

I mean yes there is some validity to "hey, they got themselves into a position to win and that's worth a lot" which I won't deny but it doesn't mean anything if you can't find a way to end the game with more points than the other team. I mean if you think this is a moral victory, consider that the Texans didn't even cover the spread.

Yeah the AJ dpi on the 1 yard line that wasn't called and forced a FG was terribad but so was the Schaub-to-Walter TD. It should have been an interception. Schaub and Kubiak looked like their typical clueless selves late in the game. Why do people keep thinking this is going to change?

From now on I may only watch the 4th quarter of these games since anything that happens in the first 45 minutes is typically meaningless.

I mean what the hell are Kevin Walter and Jacoby Jones doing on this roster if they're gonna get 2 looks a game? Jacoby is supposed to stretch the field and I'm pretty sure Walter can run a slant route. But no let's just throw AJ 15 looks a game and look for tight ends underneath.
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09-26-2011 , 05:02 PM
Texans had no business losing that game, just watched it. Kick more field goals against Brees why don't ya?
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09-26-2011 , 05:22 PM
3 points is a positive drive! Herp da derp da derp derp derp

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09-26-2011 , 05:25 PM
From something I wrote elsewhere on the game

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At the end of the first half, on third and 17 from the Texans 32, New Orleans threw a middle screen to Darren Sproles who gained 15 yards and was tackled with about 1:15 on the clock. The Saints were clearly running down the clock to kick the field goal, and the Texans should have taken one of their two timeouts so they could get the ball back with over a minute left and a timeout. At the rate their offense had been moving the ball, they stood a favorable chance of scoring, certainly high enough to offset the worst-case scenario of a turnover that led to more New Orleans points. (They had already reached the red zone four times this half, and had four plays over 20 yards and ten plays over 10 yards.) But instead, they let the clock run down to :38 before the Saints called timeout, let New Orleans kick the field goal, and then on the offensive possession, handed off to Ben Tate and then let the clock run out on the half.

Setting aside for a second the gaps in logic the Tate handoff reveals (if Kubiak wanted to run out the clock, why not just take a knee?), these two plays are representative of Kubiak’s greatest failings as a coach: he simply doesn’t try hard enough to score.

...[N]ot trying to score at the end of the first half is a mistake emblematic of a wrong way of thinking about the game. The Texans had a one-score lead, their offense had been moving the ball, and the Saints were getting the ball to start the second half– and Kubiak willingly declined the opportunity to score points.
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09-26-2011 , 05:27 PM
Also this

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I don’t think Kubiak is an effective goal-line playcaller. Here’s a perfect example from this game. In the second quarter, on third-and-goal from the 9, Kubiak has Andre Johnson lined up inside and Matt Schaub throwing a quick pass to him. On the actual play, Schaub threw the ball low and it bounced incomplete, but even if he had completed the pass, there were three defenders around Johnson, and he would have had to beat them all and get six more yards to get into the end zone. Simply put, it was a play call with a low chance of achieving the desired goal. The Texans settled for another field goal. Really, this one isn’t near the top of Kubiak’s most baffling red-zone calls, but it’s a good example of ineffective play-calling.
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09-26-2011 , 05:37 PM
nath I'm not so sure I agree with you there. If the Texans call a timeout there is (imo) a strong chance Payton goes for it on 4th and 2 and drives for the TD rather than the FG. As it stood, I thought they should have done this anyway and thought going for the FG there was a bit weak and -EV given the way Houston was moving the ball on them.
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09-26-2011 , 05:40 PM
Gaining yards with a big field is different from gaining yards with a short field.

The offense is designed around PA passes and naked bootlegs, which are great for gaining chunks of yards with a giant field. You really have to have 2 type of offensive mentalities. 1 for big field plays and the other for short field plays. Not really rocket science here. But Kubiak still doesn't ****ing get it.
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