the thread could actually stop acting like its my parents.

Your own behavior dictates if it will.

I understand, daddy.

Ha, ha.

And call me Gramps.

Buzz

Kobe appeared on 'Modern Family' not too long ago, which is a show on ABC, which is owned by Disney Media Networks. Granted, they didn't build a 'movie' around Kobe, but he's heavily scrutinized, doesn't have the cleanest track record, throws teammates under the bus to the media (Jordan never did), supposedly only cares about 'winning' despite never wanting to share in the glory of building his legacy, and is just about the most contrived and overrated modern athlete I've ever had the displeasure of watching. Despite Kobe's many flaws, it's hard to believe in the modern media of which you speak of, with Kobe being about on par with Barry Bonds on so many levels, yet he still seems to get away with way too much; Bonds getting nailed for far more during/after his career.


So, while it's less likely that Disney would green light a 'Space Jam' if Jordan were playing in today's era, it's not impossible. Also, consider that Jordan's career was always heavily scrutinized, and it did have some overlap with the emergence of the internet. Despite having cameras/media following him around 24/7, he (and those around him) did one hell of a job protecting his image. Jordan's private life was airtight, basically staying indoors pretty much all of the time he wasn't golfing/playing in private rooms. A lot of the negative stuff about Jordan, didn't really get into the mainstream's consciousness until after his career was over (Sam Smith's 'The Jordan Rules' was really the only thing people got their hands on until many year's later).


If he were playing today, he would definitely be getting nailed for something, but I think he's smart enough to play good for the most part. LeBron has a pretty good image on/off of the court, and despite that, he still gets scrutinized too much. Still, could you see Disney or some other major studio, at least consider making him the centerpiece of a movie? I could (I wouldn't want to go see it though).

Yes this is correct...most of them will have rois between -1 and 1 pre rb and atm O8 hypers are of course softer. I for example currently have a lifetime roi of 3.5 and an adjusted roi of around that as well in 60s/100s which is likely not doable in holdem. But since this is a hypothetical I would suspect that in order for us to get in the volume we would need to get sne we would need a lot more regs playing which would toughen the games up a fair amount although as Im writing this I wonder if I could be wrong about this because 30s are already pretty fn reggy and there are still multiple guys with rois in the 2-4 range.

Im with you in wanting SNE if its possible but I guess the problem is getting the players. Maybe after wadzon loses 100k pre rb this year going for sne he will return to hypers. I imagine Hunnmatt will be playing 60s/100s by the start of next year and maybe Bokkie would return if sne was possible. even with those 3 probably would need a couple more guys so maybe guys like salisero and highfly could play more. I also think a guy like Janiosmo might be in for playing a lot if sne was possible.

what ?

Im glad you brought up Kobe because I think he and Jordan are very similar in a lot of ways on and off the court. I think that Jordan in todays world would be viewed similar to how Kobe is viewed. Kobe is still loved sure but nowhere near the universal love that people had for Jordan. As far as Lebron goes he certainly is getting that Jordan like love now and represents himself has a good guy and a family man which he may or may not be. Lebron is my favorite player so im a big fan of his although I sometimes doubt he is as good of a guy as he is currently being portrayed as. For example his letter he wrote when going back to Cleveland he mentions looking forward to playing with their young players but conveniently left out Wiggins and Bennett who of course get traded for Kevin Love a few months later. I guess people these days are still somewhat easily fooled but imo Lebron going back to Cleveland was less about going home and more about Wade having bad knees and knowing he would be able to form a new big 3 in Cleveland with Love and Irving.

Oh and btw Lebron is going to be in a movie with Kevin Hart (no chance Ill watch that either lol)

bit of a joke but he is down like 18k on SS this year and played a bunch of 3-6 nlo8 cap which many will say is unbeatable pre rb. Im not sure what he is playing now but apparently still SNE pace but its not like it would be easy to jump into say for example 2-4 PLO without experience and beat the games pre rb.

I just noticed this in another thread

I'm with you on him leaving out Wiggins and Bennett's names. I was excited to see what he would have been able to do with those two, especially with he and Wiggins pressing and shutting down the wings on 'D'. LeBron and Love reminds me of Oscar Robertson and Jerry Lucas, and I'm not sure how that's a recipe for championships - other than their having a relatively easy time making it to the Eastern Conference Finals. No way Love will keep pulling down Lucas-esque rebounding numbers going forward. I think LBJ wanted Love, because he no longer wants to make the shift of having to play PF in small-ball line-ups that are so popular today.

He could have really sped up the transformation of Wiggins, had he taken him under his wing. It would also be great to see Nash traded to Cleveland as a back-up (closing minutes) PG (or OKC) instead of rotting away in his last and hopefully healthy season.

Lebron and Team Canada would be sick lol Wiggins, Bennett, Thompson and Nash all on the same team

LOL, I was seriously praying for that to happen! Oh well...

I don't get it. wadzon has something like 700k VPPs and is about 10k behind pace. Even if he lost a lot of monies on his way there, the last 300k VPPs must be profitable for him once he makes SNE. What the $ benefit of SNE over say 800k for the year?

just happened:

PokerStars - $57.66+$2.34|30/60 Ante 6 NL Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 24.5 BB
Hero (SB): 25.5 BB

2 players post ante of 0.1 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.7 BB) Hero has T K 8 A

Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (2.2 BB, 2 players) J 4 Q
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (2.2 BB, 2 players) 6
BB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

River: (6.2 BB, 2 players) A
BB checks, Hero bets 22.4 BB and is all-in, BB calls 21.4 BB and is all-in

Hero shows T K 8 A (Straight, Ace High) (Pre 55%, Flop 57%, Turn 56%)
BB shows 7 7 6 7 (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 45%, Flop 42%, Turn 44%)
Hero wins 49 BB

According to PS.com 800k vpps is worth 69200$ and equals out to roughly 50% RB and SNE is worth 105600$ and equals out to roughly 61% RB

its done: running good:

7.831$ + 2,3k RB -> 10k baby



avg buy-in: 11$

well then.... no wonder i cant win a hand vs you lol

very impressive considering the $11 average buy in.

also i think ud need at least 8-10 regs at $60+ sor SNE to be possible as not everyone would play at same time and most wont want to play vs 5 other regs

i reli just dont think its possible at the current state.

you only need like 220 games / day at 60$ for sne.

...if you play like 365 days in a year and around 80k games.
Bokkie played 3k, wadzon played 4.3k games in this year at the 60s limit...
Sounds really unrealistic to me.

yes, at the moment it is, but not if you get like 3-4 regs more to play these limits... fish doesnt seat first.. you need to have at least 4 regs and then the 2 seats always get filled..
even if you have 5 regs sitting there, the 6th will often enough be fishy so that everybody would profit from this. and suddenly, 220 games seems achievable to me.

reality at the moment is that I mostly sit there alone or with maximum 2 other regs. Even if there are allready complete randoms in the games there are not enough regs to print dat money.

and you give wrong numbers aswell: the numbers you talkabout is 60's AND 100's. quite a difference.

Calculated with 60s games only and i admit it was just a quick and rough estimation. You "only" need to play 212-213 games/day at 60s limit to reach SNE if you play 365 days a year.
Obviously its less if you can mix it with 100s.

You wouldn't need to play 60s and 100s only to get SNE. With a 40$ avg buy in you could get SNE playing less than 10k games a month. I dont know why you mentioned wadzon or bokkie as neither as played any serious hyper volume in about 6 months. However When wadzon was playing hypers earlier this year his avg buy in was 40$. Atm it is hard to get to an average buy in of 15$ if you are playing any amount of tables but if we had 5-6 more regs willing to battle and put in big volume (admittingly just dreaming here) we could get it done. I think people on here underestimate how easy it is to play a lot of games if you multi table possibly because my lazy ass was one of the count leaders last year with 52000 games. The thing about that is I was rarely playing more than 10 tables and played less than 90 hours a month. Even if I could get to a 30$ avg buy in I would make a run at SNE and give up some edge and 16 table my way to 150 000 games.

Also if SNE were possible I think I would willing to set something up with Biood and some other reg where we agree to play together for a certain amount of hours each day.

He mentioned them because they've played the most games so far this year in that buyin area. The german guys like macr0s, booink, yoey, manu are missing It would be healthier for the o8 hyper game in general if the higher games get running.