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01-30-2017 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
35% of Americans and 43% of those under 30 have a favorable opinion of socialism.

I guess it's possible that 35% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Fascism. No one seems to have polled it.
I should have better explained what I meant.

We are going down the road towards fascism in this country. But a lot of people will cut that type of talk off by saying "Oh don't be ridiculous." while ignoring all the signs of us going down that road.

It's a scary word that people won't let enter their vocabulary.
01-30-2017 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
We should have never let The Patriot Act get by. It should have led to massive protests. No Democrat should have gotten away with voting for it. There's more and more government power and now look who yields it. If we ever get the chance again all of that needs to be beaten back relentlessly w/o compromise.
That's what I thought my first Obama vote was for.

My second Obama vote was only because he was the best option available.
01-30-2017 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
We should have never let The Patriot Act get by. It should have led to massive protests. No Democrat should have gotten away with voting for it. There's more and more government power and now look who yields it. If we ever get the chance again all of that needs to be beaten back relentlessly w/o compromise.
Fear let us get there and fear let trump get his power, which will only swell through further manipulation of fear. (Unless we can stop him by Nov 8!)
01-30-2017 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
35% of Americans and 43% of those under 30 have a favorable opinion of socialism.



I guess it's possible that 35% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Fascism. No one seems to have polled it.


Fascism is a bad word throughout the entire political spectrum. One thing are feeling towards words and another are actual views people have.


Edit: For instance the Chilean left hates the word liberalism but it has plenty of liberal values.
01-30-2017 , 11:46 PM
There is no replacement for Obamacare. IT DOESN'T EXIST. So the plan of "repeal and replace" is just "repeal" and it turns out millions of people like their healthcare. So they're kind of stuck at the moment.
01-30-2017 , 11:48 PM
I need a cable news/major network news version of our regular Chiefsplanet updates. I'm in the "I cut cable" bubble, and I don't know how everything is playing out in the medium that reaches a hudge percentage of the US. What is Erin Burnett saying? How about Lester Holt? Does any of this crap make it to Good Morning America? Has anybody figured out how to get Wolf Blitzer off the air yet?
01-30-2017 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
There is no replacement for Obamacare. IT DOESN"T EXIST. So the plan of "repeal and replace" is just "repeal" and it turns out millions of people like their healthcare. So they're kind of stuck at the moment.
The UK/Canada system is the replacement. People say it sucks because the Canadians come here for major surgeries/pregnancies etc. but that is because their single payer system is flawed. The Japan/Germany/Australia have significantly superior single payer systems compared to Canada which is one of the worst.
01-30-2017 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
GOP members will call for heads if their own heads are at risk. The protests aren't just happening in blue states. If enough pressure mounts McCain won't be the only one who is pissed.
Yeah Heroball is a little too pessimistic. We've seen a vast mobilization of the left twice in 10 days. North Dakota's Republican Senator already said she's a no on DeVos because of constituent calls.

It's a struggle for the very soul of America, and the right is deeply committed to their goals.
01-30-2017 , 11:50 PM
Former Republican Congressman David Jolly of Florida going hard to the paint against Trump on MSNBC. He thinks Trump will commit an act which could be construed as an impeachable offense within the first year. I think it could be much quicker based on how things are going so far.
01-30-2017 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I need a cable news/major network news version of our regular Chiefsplanet updates.
The cable news nets stream their stuff for free.
01-30-2017 , 11:56 PM
If Clinton lying about a blowjob is impeachable then Trump has already committed multiple impeachable offenses.
01-30-2017 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
We should have never let The Patriot Act get by. It should have led to massive protests. No Democrat should have gotten away with voting for it. There's more and more government power and now look who yields it. If we ever get the chance again all of that needs to be beaten back relentlessly w/o compromise.
Oh, hey! We agree on something!
01-30-2017 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
35% of Americans and 43% of those under 30 have a favorable opinion of socialism.



I guess it's possible that 35% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Fascism. No one seems to have polled it.

Young people age and become more conservative.

If someone let Bannon write the survey and Rasmussen poll it, then 40% would have a favorable view of fascism.
01-31-2017 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
The UK/Canada system is the replacement. People say it sucks because the Canadians come here for major surgeries/pregnancies etc. but that is because their single payer system is flawed. The Japan/Germany/Australia have significantly superior single payer systems compared to Canada which is one of the worst.
This is the one thing I don't get about American nationalism. There is this outright dismissal of looking at successful things other countries have done. Like, let's say a country out there developed a system where capitalism flourishes and all the poor homeless people become rich via trickle down economics and the wealthy make even more money; Americans would still dismiss that system because it wasn't successful here first. It's just bizarre to me.

I'm convinced the reason so many people hate science here is because it's treated as an important topic in other countries.
01-31-2017 , 12:01 AM
40% don't even know what fascism is
01-31-2017 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
GOP members will call for heads if their own heads are at risk. The protests aren't just happening in blue states. If enough pressure mounts McCain won't be the only one who is pissed.


McCain just won re-election and won't run again (will probably die before his term runs). He also hates Trump and so here we are.
01-31-2017 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Yeah Heroball is a little too pessimistic. We've seen a vast mobilization of the left twice in 10 days. North Dakota's Republican Senator already said she's a no on DeVos because of constituent calls.



It's a struggle for the very soul of America, and the right is deeply committed to their goals.


The second that (especially 2018 House member) GOP bros start getting SOFT and WEAK against Trump, they instantly run the risk of getting primary'd to their right.

It's important that people remember: Trump is actually far far far more moderate than what one finds in a majority of state legislatures. And these are the cesspools that breed National candidates.
01-31-2017 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
The cable news nets stream their stuff for free.
So does Chiefsplanet. I'm a busy guy. I need an executive summary.
01-31-2017 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
McCain just won re-election and won't run again (will probably die before his term runs). He also hates Trump and so here we are.
Which has nothing to do with my statement. Trump is heading down a road that will see revolt amongst members of the GOP if they're threatened in their home states.

Voter backlash goes both ways.
01-31-2017 , 12:10 AM
Pretty big tell that Trump used the word "betrayal" in his statement about firing Yates.
01-31-2017 , 12:13 AM
01-31-2017 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Which has nothing to do with my statement. Trump is heading down a road that will see revolt amongst members of the GOP if they're threatened in their home states.

Voter backlash goes both ways.
This won't be what turns people against him. This will be one his best decisions for ~1/2 the country. He's probably gained from this.
01-31-2017 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Which has nothing to do with my statement. Trump is heading down a road that will see revolt amongst members of the GOP if they're threatened in their home states.



Voter backlash goes both ways.

Perhaps I'm not making this clear: the revolt (such that it might occur) will more likely come from a constituency that wants the GOP to hew MORE closely to Trump's xenophobia.
01-31-2017 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
Pretty big tell that Trump used the word "betrayal" in his statement about firing Yates.
That entire thing looked like it was written by a 2nd grader.
01-31-2017 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
Perhaps I'm not making this clear: the revolt (such that it might occur) will more likely come from a constituency that wants the GOP to hew MORE closely to Trump's xenophobia.
I don't see it. It's not Trump supporters up in arms and protesting and calling their representatives.

Trump supporters are the minority. They always were and always will be. That's why Trump/Bannon are doing the **** they are doing. They are trying to fuel the flames of hatred and intolerance. It's the only way they can win the long game and they know it.

There's a reason why the Resistance is growing. It's because a lot of people are fed up w/ this **** and are uniting together to stop this **** stain of a president. Why do you think Trump is trying to de-legitimatize the voting by saying 3-5 million illegals voted against him? Voter suppression is the only way he can stay in power.

      
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