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01-30-2017 , 10:27 PM
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Van Jones might need a cardiologist tonight.
01-30-2017 , 10:29 PM
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If the Attorney General is a position of trust then why is Trump firing her a big deal?
01-30-2017 , 10:31 PM
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If the Attorney General is a position of trust then why is Trump firing her a big deal?
Because this was the last straw for Nixon. But I'm not going to say that firing Yates is as bad.
01-30-2017 , 10:32 PM
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There's a pretty compelling argument that the ban violates the establishments clause. This argument is given more weight because Trump is a dumbass who bragged on the air that he was doing it to give preference to Christian refugees over Muslim ones. At least one federal judge has already found a substantial likelihood that that violates the establishment clause in issuing a TRO.

Edit: There's also a statute that curtails the president's power to regulate immigration by preventing a president from discriminating based upon, amongst other things, religion or national origin.
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From the ACLU's application for a stay:
Thanks.
01-30-2017 , 10:33 PM
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Because this was the last straw for Nixon.
Expand a bit please ( The only thing I know about Nixon is that he spied democrats and then had to resign)
01-30-2017 , 10:34 PM
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Welcome to America.
01-30-2017 , 10:35 PM
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Trump doesn't waste any time that's for sure
01-30-2017 , 10:36 PM
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LUL, they always have to make it personal by calling her weak multiple times. I can imagine Trump standing over the shoulder of Bannon or whomever was writing the press release on a computer and telling them to make sure to specifically mention that she was "weak."
01-30-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Expand a bit please ( The only thing I know about Nixon is that he spied democrats and then had to resign)
Google "Saturday Night Massacre."

Basically, Nixon ordered his AG to fire the special prosecutor investigating him. AG said no, so Nixon fired him. Nixon then ordered the deputy AG to do it. Deputy AG said no, so Nixon fired him. Nixon then ordered the solicitor general (Robert Bork), the third in command to do it. Bork said yes. It brought widespread bipartisan condemnation and dried up any remaining support Nixon had left with his own party.
01-30-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Expand a bit please ( The only thing I know about Nixon is that he spied democrats and then had to resign)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

Cliffs: When DOJ types refused to bend the knee, Nixon went down the line until he found someone who would.
01-30-2017 , 10:38 PM
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Google "Saturday Night Massacre."

Basically, Nixon ordered his AG to fire the special prosecutor investigating him. AG said no, so Nixon fired him. Nixon then ordered the deputy AG to do it. Deputy AG said no, so Nixon fired him. Nixon then ordered the solicitor general (Robert Bork), the third in command to do it. Bork said yes. It brought widespread bipartisan condemnation and dried up any remaining support Nixon had left with his own party.
What is amazing to me isn't that this is happenning. It is that this is happenning in the FIRST ****ING WEEK.
01-30-2017 , 10:39 PM
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LUL, they always have to make it personal by calling her weak multiple times. I can imagine Trump standing over the shoulder of Bannon or whomever was writing the press release on a computer and telling them to make sure to specifically mention that she was "weak."
I couldn't believe that line was real.
01-30-2017 , 10:39 PM
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I can't tell if that statement is more The Apprentice reality TV or Hitler.
01-30-2017 , 10:41 PM
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What is amazing to me isn't that this is happenning. It is that this is happenning in the FIRST ****ING WEEK.
this is purposeful. to get the protesters tired and the people watching the protests tired with the protests WAY before 2018
01-30-2017 , 10:41 PM
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****ing fascist
01-30-2017 , 10:42 PM
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I can't tell if that statement is more The Apprentice reality TV or Hitler.
I was thinking the same thing. That statement looks like it came from a dictator, not a president. Things just keep getting scarier by the day.
01-30-2017 , 10:44 PM
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LUL, they always have to make it personal by calling her weak multiple times. I can imagine Trump standing over the shoulder of Bannon or whomever was writing the press release on a computer and telling them to make sure to specifically mention that she was "weak."
I think it's Bannon standing over Conway's shoulder as she types. Trump is in the room, but he's on a couch nearby, flipping between cable news stations. Half listening, he occasionally bellows "WEAK!" as they tweak the wording.

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What is amazing to me isn't that this is happenning. It is that this is happenning in the FIRST ****ING WEEK.
Totally. Dire as I thought it would be, I never imagined it would go to such **** SO quickly.
01-30-2017 , 10:45 PM
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The scary thing is most people are supporting this. The protestors are skewing perception but polls even by CNN show 47-52% of people supporting these moves by Trump and most Trumpites won't even come out of the woodwork as we saw with misleading polls ahead of the election so the number is probably higher.
01-30-2017 , 10:48 PM
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He couldn't wait one frigging day for Sessions to be confirmed.
01-30-2017 , 10:49 PM
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The scary thing is most people are supporting this. The protestors are skewing perception but polls even by CNN show 47-52% of people supporting these moves by Trump and most Trumpites won't even come out of the woodwork as we saw with misleading polls ahead of the election so the number is probably higher.
There is no credible evidence people are supporting it. The sauce is being reduced to Trump's hardcore base. It will be strong but not enough for a meal.
01-30-2017 , 10:49 PM
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This goes from bad day to semi-historical event. See Saturday night massacre. It continues to chip into Trump's approval, and President's power is based in part on public support.
Well that escalated quickly. You think Trump is going to lose public support over this? I don't. As I said yesterday, I truly hope you are right.
01-30-2017 , 10:49 PM
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The scary thing is most people are supporting this. The protestors are skewing perception but polls even by CNN show 47-52% of people supporting these moves by Trump and most Trumpites won't even come out of the woodwork as we saw with misleading polls ahead of the election so the number is probably higher.
Most recent polling ive seen is 42% approve, 51% dissapprove.
01-30-2017 , 10:50 PM
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Well that escalated quickly. You think Trump is going to lose public support over this? I don't. As I said yesterday, I truly hope you are right.
He certainly won't gain any support he doesnt have over it.
01-30-2017 , 10:51 PM
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01-30-2017 , 10:55 PM
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There is no credible evidence people are supporting it. The sauce is being reduced to Trump's hardcore base. It will be strong but not enough for a meal.
Trump obviously isn't really in favor of freedom of the press.

He wants flag burners jailed and stripped of citizenship. No respect for freedom of speech.

Clearly not a fan of freedom of religion.

He sees nothing wrong with trashing America's long-held ideals that welcome immigrants.

His supporters are fine with all of that. Totally fine with it. And that is why he is where he is today. So crazy.
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