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09-23-2010 , 08:06 AM

#1626

SoloAJ

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I got midwest on the quiz. I'm glad to see that my merry dilemma is a result of my upbringing and not my stupidity.

When I first went to University of Illinois, people kept telling my roommate and me that was had a western IL accent (as opposed to their normal Chicago talk). We thought they were entirely crazy until we found a word that revealed it.

"Illinois."

Western Illinois folk almost invariably pronounce it "Ell-ih-noy" instead of "Ill." (maybe more like "Eh-lih-noy")

I've since switched to Ill, but it's funny to me to hear people from my hometown say it.

Very weird to me.

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09-23-2010 , 01:51 PM

#1627

fsoyars

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Wasn't until I got to college that people told me I pronounced the letters "n" and "m" as "in" and "im" whereas most people I guess say "en" and "em."

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09-29-2010 , 04:11 AM

#1628

mikech

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has "the reason is because" become acceptable? i see and hear it almost universally, even from highly educated ppl, and it irks me terribly. should i let go of this?

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09-30-2010 , 12:03 AM

#1629

stinkypete

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i couldn't help but think of this thread when i read this:

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Originally Posted by Suigin406

About the pepperjack, my subway started doing this like 6 months ago, it literally blew my mind since I've always been a fan, but never realized subway didn't have it.

i can't even count the number of fails in this "sentence"

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=292

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09-30-2010 , 12:25 AM

#1630

Zeth

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Originally Posted by mikech

has "the reason is because" become acceptable? i see and hear it almost universally, even from highly educated ppl, and it irks me terribly. should i let go of this?

No. It's acceptable when people say things that make sentences shorter without losing meaning--like using they/them for singular/unknown gender instead of the horribly clunky 'he or she'--but never acceptable when you're adding redundant words.

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09-30-2010 , 12:41 AM

#1631

ChipsAhoya

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i got a ****ing email today with the subject "Head's Up" and flipped out...

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10-09-2010 , 04:17 PM

#1632

Mrage

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I got owned on a post I made the other day in which I said "brass tax," I had no idea it was actually "brass tacks." Made me think of this thread. Obviously when someone pointed out my error I was obliged to apologize.

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Originally Posted by Mrage

Oh wow your right, I should of said "brass tack's"... my bad. For all intensive purposes its the same thing though. Irregardless, rest insured I definately won't be making any more silly "grammar errors" in this thread!

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10-09-2010 , 06:23 PM

#1633

jontsef

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Originally Posted by Mrage

Since this thread is about pedanticism:
There was actually a brass tax in the 19th century in the US, which is the main cause for the decline in popularity of many musical instruments that contained brass (e.g trumpets), and the sudden rise in popularity of wooden instruments (e.g flutes).

So, while the term "brass tacks" probably makes a bit more sense, the case may be that it evolved from "brass tax" because it first apepared in print several years after the brass tax was passed.

How did you use it in context? There's a good chance it was accurate.

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10-10-2010 , 12:22 AM

#1634

prohornblower

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I got "Neutral" on that quiz. Although I was born in the yellow area of the map (St. Louis). Lived half there, and half in Houston. I probably would have gotten "Mid" land or Mid "Western" if not for a couple I answered that were probably a bit lazy that I picked up in Texas.

I do sometimes pronounce "I" as "ah". It's more like "uh" when I say "I don't think so" it would sound like "Uh don't think so" that's if I'm talking quickly. I didn't even realize I did this until I took this "quiz". I almost certainly used to pronounce it "Eye don't think so" back when I lived in the Midwe"s"t.

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10-15-2010 , 09:17 PM

#1635

W0X0F

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This is not a grammar or punctuation nit, but am I the only guy who is bothered by the current trend, in both written and verbal communication, of using the phrase "That being said," (or similar phrases, e.g. "Having said that", "That having been said") to introduce a counterpoint?

For some reason this grates on me. It feels like a gimmick by the speaker (or writer) to make himself sound more erudite. It's certainly trendy...you hear it all the time on pundit talk shows. The old phrases that someone might have used (e.g. "Still", "And yet","Nevertheless" among many other options) serve well and sound less pretentious to me.

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10-15-2010 , 10:08 PM

#1636

lonely_but_rich

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Self-unaware or un-self-aware?

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10-15-2010 , 10:25 PM

#1637

jontsef

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Both are bad. What's the context?

You could use oblivious, unaware, unmindful, inattentive, incognizant, not self-aware, etc.

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10-15-2010 , 11:34 PM

#1638

private joker

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Originally Posted by W0X0F

Yes. Scroll back through the thread and you'll see several of us complaining about it.

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10-15-2010 , 11:38 PM

#1639

lonely_but_rich

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Originally Posted by jontsef

Both are bad. What's the context?

You could use oblivious, unaware, unmindful, inattentive, incognizant, not self-aware, etc.

Someone calling someone self unaware. It just sounded weird to me but so did un-self-aware.

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10-16-2010 , 07:51 AM

#1640

poke_her_4_life

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Something so simple though seems to be so difficult for people to do. Shame

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10-16-2010 , 10:50 AM

#1641

otnemem

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"He's not very self-aware" would probably be your best bet there. Though I can't really see how self-unaware is wrong. People can be unaware of things just as they can be aware of things.

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10-22-2010 , 11:45 AM

#1642

atakdog

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It's more an inside POG joke than anything else, but I'm now proudly wearing my proclivity toward the sort of criticism this thread about in my location field.

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10-24-2010 , 01:20 AM

#1643

PokerIMO

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Never understood what to put in the italicised parts. All alternatives sound clumsy and uber-awkward...

The book belongs to John and me.
i) Have you seen John's and my book?
ii) It (the book) is John's and mine.

I know a lot of people steer clear of constructing a phrase like these and would instead write it in a different way (e.g. "have you seen the book that belongs to John and me"). All the same, let's hear how it should be!

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10-24-2010 , 10:21 AM

#1644

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10-24-2010 , 11:04 AM

#1645

PokerIMO

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lol yes of course, that's the most simple solution. I assumed, though, that because you can say "John and Peter's book", you can also say "John and my" book, or somehow replace "my" for "mine" or something else? Thoughts?