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12-12-2008 , 04:21 PM

#376

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Ugh, I was just reminded of another completely annoying speech thing. I think it's almost exclusively Jersey, and maybe Philly.

"We're gonna go down the shore this weekend."
"I invited him over my house."

There's no faster way to sound like an overgrown baby than speaking this way.

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12-12-2008 , 06:44 PM

#377

gusmahler

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Passed this gas station today:

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12-12-2008 , 06:50 PM

#378

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econopile mentioned something about this earlier, i saw his post quoted. it could have been only partially quoted so maybe im repeating this.

the sentence "Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo" is grammatically correct if you take into account the three different meanings of the word

Buffalo meaning the city of Buffalo
buffalo meaning the animal
buffalo as a verb meaning to bully

it reads as "Buffalo from buffalo bully buffalo from Buffalo who Buffalo buffalo bully."

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12-12-2008 , 07:03 PM

#379

Triumph36

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Originally Posted by otnemem

these are both totally standard. i understand there's a missing 'to' in both of those, but you sound british if you say either, especially in the first one. i mean honestly are you going to now get on poker players for saying 'i run good'?

i haven't gone down the shore in several years, but i assure you if i ever do again there won't be a superfluous 'to' in there. and this from someone who routinely avoids prepositions at the ends of sentences in speech.

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12-12-2008 , 07:19 PM

#380

JackInDaCrak

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Originally Posted by CrazyEyez

Subject lines from today's inbox at work:

- India Rec's have arrived
- Reminder--Custodian Rec's for November
- Final Class Level NAV's and Distribution Rates
- <insert company name here> NAV's

Isn't an apostrophe appropriate as a substitute for the missing letters when abbreviating words?

Gov't
Nat'l
etc.

I'll grant that the capitalization is ****ed.

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12-12-2008 , 07:35 PM

#381

FlyWf

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It is permissible to abbreviate other words of eight letters or more if substantial space is thereby saved and the result is unambiguous in context.

Assuming it's "recommendations", I see nothing wrong with "rec's".

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12-12-2008 , 07:36 PM

#382

FlyWf

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I keep on forgetting to create and use a "Bluebook" gimmick account for threads like this.

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12-12-2008 , 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

these are both totally standard. i understand there's a missing 'to' in both of those, but you sound british if you say either, especially in the first one.

Wait, wat? Quick straw poll: does anyone NOT from Jersey/Philly ever not say the "to" in either of those sentences? I've never heard anyone say "come over my house" in my life.

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12-12-2008 , 07:43 PM

#384

MrEleganza

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There's a blog just about the non-sensical quotation marks bit:

http://quotation-marks.blogspot.com/

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12-12-2008 , 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MrEleganza

There's a blog just about the non-sensical quotation marks bit:

http://quotation-marks.blogspot.com/

That link was in the OP.

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12-12-2008 , 08:03 PM

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I've never heard anyone say "come over my house" in my life.

Clearly you've never had Peter North over.

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12-12-2008 , 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Claunchy

does anyone NOT from Jersey/Philly ever not say the "to" in either of those sentences? I've never heard anyone say "come over my house" in my life.

Sound like pidgin.

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12-12-2008 , 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gumpzilla

Clearly you've never had Peter North over.

well done.

claunchy: yes. come over my house would be standard. i got invited over people's houses as a kid. you sound ******ed if you kind of clip the 'to' and a robot if you say a full 'to' there.

i.e. 'come over ta my house, you can tell me about the rabbits!'

or

'come over to my house and my cpu is a neural net processor'

pretty sure i'd still say these things.

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12-12-2008 , 09:02 PM

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I love how people think others' variations in grammar are horrible and ungrammatical and show how stupid that person is, but their own variations are totally normal and not doing it makes you sound weird and robotic.

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12-12-2008 , 09:12 PM

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here in boston if you were in the basement of a house you were "down cellar" which of course is pronounced "down sella"

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12-12-2008 , 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

these are both totally standard. i understand there's a missing 'to' in both of those, but you sound british if you say either, especially in the first one. i mean honestly are you going to now get on poker players for saying 'i run good'?

i haven't gone down the shore in several years, but i assure you if i ever do again there won't be a superfluous 'to' in there. and this from someone who routinely avoids prepositions at the ends of sentences in speech.

No way, dude. In fact it's the first time in my life I've ever even heard it. It sounds very silly.

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Originally Posted by JackInDaCrak

Isn't an apostrophe appropriate as a substitute for the missing letters when abbreviating words?

Gov't
Nat'l
etc.

I'll grant that the capitalization is ****ed.

Nah, In the case of "Rec's" (short for reconciliations) they are obviously doing it for the wrong reasons. It's not like they're doing "Rec'n" when it's singular.

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12-12-2008 , 10:26 PM

#392

private joker

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Ugh, I just saw one in another OOT thread that pisses me off.

One more time people:

ALL OF A SUDDEN = RIGHT
ALL OF THE SUDDEN = WRONG

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12-12-2008 , 10:59 PM

#393

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Originally Posted by private joker

Ugh, I just saw one in another OOT thread that pisses me off.

One more time people:

ALL OF A SUDDEN = RIGHT
ALL OF THE SUDDEN = WRONG

[x] learned something

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12-12-2008 , 11:04 PM

#394

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Originally Posted by snowden719

it's not 'my' variation - and i'm not even 100% sure i'd say 'invited over my place', but there's an implicit 'to' there. there's ways of saying it non-robotically, for sure, but going down the shore is just standard. if someone said 'i'm going down to the shore', i'd mark them as an idiot - OTOH, if they said, 'i'm going to the beach', totally standard. 'going down the shore' is the full act, imo.

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12-12-2008 , 11:08 PM

#395

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no need to explain to me boss, I think it's all ok. Those all sound really weird to my ears but then again I'm not from jersey.

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12-12-2008 , 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

but going down the shore is just standard.

Stop saying that. You're objectively wrong.

edit: Would you ever say "I'm going the shore?" It's the same thing.

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12-12-2008 , 11:50 PM

#397

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I'm from NJ and I don't think I've ever heard "going down the shore" but "wanna come over my house?" is totally standard. Had no idea it was a regional thing; it seems just like standard colloquial phrase-shortening. I mean, I think there's a "to" in there, it's just... silent. It gets mish-mashed out when you say it quickly. Kinda like how a lot of people sound like they're saying "probly" when they say "probably."

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12-12-2008 , 11:54 PM

#398

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Originally Posted by otnemem

philly. then you go 300 miles west and you have the even worse pittsburgh convention of leaving "to be" off their infinitives (The car needs washed... the bed needs made).

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12-12-2008 , 11:56 PM

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fwiw, I don't think most non-Jersey people fully enunciate the "to" either. It's more like "t'my house." But I gotta go with CrazyEyez here that leaving it out entirely is weird/wrong.