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05-31-2011 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JustinJude
A little weight to your opinion LJ.

Decriminalisation and reduction in drug use by minors
OOH snap ty
05-31-2011 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Leroy_Jenkins45
Making it illegal isnt stopping them from doing it now either . The same amount of people will do the drugs . i believe that usage will actually decrease , but thats just my oppinion again . What I'm saying tho is that legal or illegal the drugs will still be used . I could buy just about any drug you could think of with just a few phone calls . The availability is already there .
You don't think more people will experiment with drugs if they were legal? I'm not talking about the ones who are using it now, but don't you think some kids might try it just to try it? ie the ones who might try hash just to try it might instead try some much more addictive. It doesn't take much to create an addiction with heroin or cocaine, and it is virtually impossible to predict who will have a bad trip on LSD and that might be all it takes to fry the brain
05-31-2011 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
Best evidence I have from the top of my head would be to look at the use of khat in Yemen.
I've read of khat bieng compared with coffee. The problem here seems to be increased demand and water shortage - not the plant.

Monkeys have similar rates of alcoholism as humans. I **** you not.
05-31-2011 , 05:27 PM
Well , I would say that's the parents responsibility to teach their kids about things they are going to encounter in the real world . I think yes , you will have a few who were on the fence try it out , but the vast majority of people are NOT gonna say " Oh snap heroin is legal now , damn always wanted to try that out but it's been illegal . Now i can get me some yay " . I mean if you had the urge to try it out then the question of if it is legal or not is not going to stop you .
05-31-2011 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
Getting addicted to those substances will destroy you quickly, even if you can get good quality stuff at a low price.
kinda deep waters we're getting into here.

However, no-one suggests that chronic pain sufferers and cancer patients with long term opiate prescriptions are destroyed, can't hold down jobs or have their lives wrecked.

The main difference is that the supply is regulated, and the act of obtaining a supply is straightforward. The issues that street opiate users have is that they are corralled into dealing with the mafia, to buy an uncertain product under challenging and dangerous circumstances, and at a huge financial cost. This leads to crime to pay for the supply, an inability to work etc because of the time and distractions involved in pursuing that life of crime, dealing with the mafia, and staying out of the hands of law enforcement.
05-31-2011 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JustinJude

Monkeys have similar rates of alcoholism as humans. I **** you not.
I find this very interesting .


If everyone keeps beating up on Aert , i may have to switch sides to help balance it out
05-31-2011 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyLittleF
Originally Posted by crazyfool1985
ITT tbob loses his virginity and acts like ron jemery
+1
05-31-2011 , 05:34 PM
Even if you legalised it the problems wouldn't go away. Sure, I could go to the shop and get a couple grams of grade A coke with my pint of milk for £X and get high at home.

But the pikeys in the council estate down the road can;t afford it, however their friendly neighbourhood pimp has a supply of cut stuff on the cheap. And they already blew their dole money on the fruit-machines as usual so they'll need to nick my TV to pay for it.

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05-31-2011 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Leroy_Jenkins45
I find this very interesting .
Yeah, I love that clip.

It suggests that drug use reaches a kind of equilibrium amongst social creatures.

I can't think of any reason why it shouldn't happen for us humans.
05-31-2011 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bumblebee99
Even if you legalised it the problems wouldn't go away. Sure, I could go to the shop and get a couple grams of grade A coke with my pint of milk for £X and get high at home.

But the pikeys in the council estate down the road can;t afford it, however their friendly neighbourhood pimp has a supply of cut stuff on the cheap. And they already blew their dole money on the fruit-machines as usual so they'll need to nick my TV to pay for it.
And in English?
05-31-2011 , 05:41 PM
I'm not saying the problem goes away . But by legalizing it , you free up ALOT of law enforcement , jail/prison . resources .Drug prices would go down because of the availability . You can tax it much like cigarettes and the money earned can be used for drug prevention , rehabs etc . I dont think the problem goes away , I just think the alternative is better .

And that dude who wants to "nic" your tv ? Well he's gonna do that if the drugs or legal or not . Dont you wish you had some kind of weapon , a gun maybe and a right to defend your castle
05-31-2011 , 05:41 PM
heh, not surprised by monkey alcoholics. There is a reason we use animal to test our stuff before giving it to humans.

Khat isn't really comparable to caffeine IMO. However khat isn't a very strong addictive nor does it harm the body much. The point is that Yemen is one of the poorest arab countries and as a country with sparse water resources they choose to use that water growing khat instead of fruits and other foods. According to Wikipedia the Yemeni spend 17% of their income on khat.

The shift in production towards khat and the amount spend on the drug can hardly be called net positives for the society. And this is just with khat. I see no reason to believe stronger stimulant wouldn't have stronger effects.
05-31-2011 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bumblebee99
Even if you legalised it the problems wouldn't go away.

But the pikeys in the council estate down the road can;t afford it, however their friendly neighbourhood pimp has a supply of cut stuff on the cheap. And they already blew their dole money on the fruit-machines as usual so they'll need to nick my TV to pay for it.
I don't think they'd be able to compete on price and quality Bee. That would be like buying ****ty, dodgey, home brew of some guy instead of going to offy.

Plus you wouldn't be at risk of being criminalised for your personal victimless behaviour.

At the very least there'd be a lot less people involved with the criminal justice system so money and time could be freed up to takle real issues like child neglect and violence.
05-31-2011 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by crazyfool1985
Im not gay but the man sucking my dick certainly is

obv
05-31-2011 , 05:44 PM
So what happens if they outlaw khat Ae ?
05-31-2011 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bumblebee99
Even if you legalised it the problems wouldn't go away. Sure, I could go to the shop and get a couple grams of grade A coke with my pint of milk for £X and get high at home.

But the pikeys in the council estate down the road can;t afford it, however their friendly neighbourhood pimp has a supply of cut stuff on the cheap. And they already blew their dole money on the fruit-machines as usual so they'll need to nick my TV to pay for it.
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Originally Posted by TBobLP
And in English?
Even if the authorities legalized the use of currently banned narcotics, the current problems associated with use woudl persist. Of course, I could go to the store and purchase 2 bags of quality cocaine, along with my 2 litre bottle of Sprite and 40 bars of chocolate for breakfast, and partake back at my condo.

But the gangstas in the hood, south of my street, just don't have the money for such quality narcs, however, the mack daddy can certainly provide some inferior substances, no-doubt laced with laxatives for a much more competitive price. And due to the gangstas already having spent their benefits on slot-machines, as per, they will have to steal my fiddy-inch plasma.
05-31-2011 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
kinda deep waters we're getting into here.

However, no-one suggests that chronic pain sufferers and cancer patients with long term opiate prescriptions are destroyed, can't hold down jobs or have their lives wrecked.

The main difference is that the supply is regulated, and the act of obtaining a supply is straightforward. The issues that street opiate users have is that they are corralled into dealing with the mafia, to buy an uncertain product under challenging and dangerous circumstances, and at a huge financial cost. This leads to crime to pay for the supply, an inability to work etc because of the time and distractions involved in pursuing that life of crime, dealing with the mafia, and staying out of the hands of law enforcement.
But long term opiate users certainly have great difficulties getting out of the addiction. I have no cites at hand but try looking up the number of doctors getting addicted to morphine. It's quite shocking.

Also, they rarely hold those jobs while being addicted. Have you ever seen a guy in coma being taken of opiates while still in coma? it's not pretty and the guy is still unconscious.

And a fun fact: Heroine was given it's name because of it's remarkable analgesic effect far surpassing that of morphine. The use was discontinued because was getting to addicted. Source: Drugs of natural origin: a textbook of pharmacology, Samuelson.

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05-31-2011 , 05:51 PM
Too much adult talk itt, I finally haz my skype working, so if anyone wants to add me, PM me yours!
05-31-2011 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Leroy_Jenkins45


If everyone keeps beating up on Aert , i may have to switch sides to help balance it out
heh, but I think you guys are arguing different sites of legalizing drugs.

I'll be fine though, I have a degree that allows me to deal drugs legaly
05-31-2011 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JustinJude
I don't think they'd be able to compete on price and quality Bee. That would be like buying ****ty, dodgey, home brew of some guy instead of going to offy.

Of course they wouldn't, but how much are we going to sell quality coke for? And how are the jobless, addicts going to pay for it from Tesco?

Plus you wouldn't be at risk of being criminalised for your personal victimless behaviour.

Would being an illegal distributor be legal? What if a dodgy E you sold ended up killing someone?

At the very least there'd be a lot less people involved with the criminal justice system so money and time could be freed up to takle real issues like child neglect and violence.

a lot of which I guess is associated with poverty, drug use and alcoholism
I don't have the answers but just some Q's that sprung to mind.
05-31-2011 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by wafflehouse1
Too much adult talk itt, I finally haz my skype working, so if anyone wants to add me, PM me yours!
Skype me bro , same sn as here
05-31-2011 , 05:54 PM


skype is bumblebee9779
05-31-2011 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Leroy_Jenkins45
So what happens if they outlaw khat Ae ?
**** hits the fan obv. it's too late the damage has been done. As you said you can't outlaw alcohol anymore, but it certainly would have made sense from a society POV to do it 8 gazillion years ago
05-31-2011 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bumblebee99


skype is bumblebee9779
It's a trap!!!!!1!!one
05-31-2011 , 05:58 PM
I c nipple , is dat legal ?

      
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