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04-16-2011 , 01:01 AM

#2051

Takemusu Aiki

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,722

Quote:

Originally Posted by unomaas

someone want to book me 25/1 on $1000 bucks that some org hacked all the sites and posted the fake FBI page on it and made everyone flip out?

Booked, this **** is real.

04-16-2011 , 01:01 AM

#2052

Foldemlow

banned

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,716

Quote:

Originally Posted by asthenic

STOP POSTING ABOUT ILLEGAL ONLINE POKER ECT FREEDOMS OMFFFFG NVGTARDS.

These companies were running sophisticated fraud schemes against the US. They laundered BILLIONS of dollars and committed what I would assume are thousands of cases of wire and bank fraud. Debate the merits of these charges, or jurisdiction or facts... but please don't turn this into a Glen Beck televangelist BS about the unfairness of the government. U think anyone cares about ur dumb online poker freedoms and if you have them or not? No they want their slice of the cake, just or not.

No ******, the US government was stealing money from FTP/STARS, so they had to come up with fraudulent schemes to avoid DOJ crackdowns on payment processors.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

04-16-2011 , 01:02 AM

#2053

easy_easy_money

centurion

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 120

Cashed out over a grand from Full Tilt 3-4 weeks ago that has yet to be seen.

Have at least $1,500 in deposits that still haven't been cleared from my bank account. What should I expect?

04-16-2011 , 01:02 AM

#2054

Joe Tall

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 16,928

Hey all, I'm hosting a virtual drink up on the hashtag #blackfridaydrink

http://twitter.com/#!/JoeTall/status/59116245114560513

04-16-2011 , 01:02 AM

#2055

fds

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,696

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foldemlow

No ******, the US government was stealing money from FTP/STARS, so they had to come up with fraudulent schemes to avoid DOJ crackdowns on payment processors.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

this obv

04-16-2011 , 01:02 AM

#2056

asthenic

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foldemlow

I think what a lot of people are missing with these arguments is that the US government basically forced FTP and PS to commit fraud by stealing their money.

They bribed banks to hide money transactions only to avoid DOJ crackdowns, which were illegal in the first place.

Their only mistake was to not understand that only the government can do illegal things and get away with it...
This is actually a great setup and I'm sure it was all calculated from the beginning.
DOJ steals money from FTP/PS, knowing they'll have to do sketchy things in order to avoid losing too much money and then indicts them on fraud charges.
Brilliant...

Im not sure how bribing banks because its your only option is somehow a point in their favor.

It very well may be unfair, their only option ect ect ect ect. but it doesnt change the very obvious fact that htis was outright bank and wire fraud and that is why they are being shut down. The bs here about the governement, obama, freedoms... ect. is just babble.

04-16-2011 , 01:02 AM

#2057

Hurrrrrrrr

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 434

uhh so i can't even logon FTP anymore, it tries to update then goes "download failed". so the money in my account is gone now?!

04-16-2011 , 01:03 AM

#2058

Gabe Kaplan

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 8

losing the players from the USA makes for smaller fields, smaller guarantees which in turn makes less players and less money since over 50% of money players are from here, its a sad day all the way around for everyone around the world

04-16-2011 , 01:03 AM

#2059

twoblacknines

veteran

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2,096

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCanoe

lol wtf??

I just went to both and they were fine, so thanks for the scare I guess

lol epic fail.

04-16-2011 , 01:03 AM

#2060

langer_rol

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 155

wow

04-16-2011 , 01:03 AM

#2061

DKJ

enthusiast

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by walkmyline

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/daniel...ctments-18784/

This indictment is all based on this clowns allegations. Getting himself off and throwing others under the bus to do it. Who knows if his unformation even holds any truth. Other then bargaining his freedom. Ftp seems to think by there release that the charges are bogus

So did Barry Bonds... did you read the indictment? And have you ever seen ANYONE under serious charges NOT come out proclaiming innocence and that they would see their way through to absolute victory?

Nah, lets just come out and go "Screw it, we're guilty... throw on the cuffs and lock me up next to Bubba."

Grow a brain.

04-16-2011 , 01:03 AM

#2062

Harv72b

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,202

Quote:

Originally Posted by asthenic

can we please please please stopppp these posts.

I feel dumb for getting up in arms about them, but this is just horribly flawed logic. READ THE INDICTMENT.

Im all for the governments being corrupt / power grabbers but I reserve my own judgment. I see no application of anything besides trying to enforce laws from people literally raping their land.

I am almost PRO fraud if thats possible, but at the same time im not so twisted in my love for online poker / pyramid fraud schemes and hatred for authority and government that I draw such amazingly stupid conclusions as i see every page of this thread.

"Carpal/Tunnel" means recognizing trolls. Good day, sir.

04-16-2011 , 01:04 AM

#2063

asthenic

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foldemlow

No ******, the US government was stealing money from FTP/STARS, so they had to come up with fraudulent schemes to avoid DOJ crackdowns on payment processors.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

YES I DO HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO OBAMA HATES US. THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO TAKE OUR FREEDOMS AHHHH I HATE MY COUNTRY!!!!

unfair, unjust, illegal whatever. Debate the merits of the case was my point. I dont care what position forced them into what they did. They commited HUGE scale fraud and now are charged... thats what happened.

04-16-2011 , 01:04 AM

#2064

Schadenfred

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 656

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozen Pizza

Here is what I think will happen (disclaimer - I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not very smart):

The parties that were indicted will pay significant fines after a court battle lasting for 1.5 to 2 years.

During this time, legislation will be passed, and 888 will take over legal online poker operations in the US.

I think PartyPoker would be well-placed for re-entry. Heck, I'm thinking about putting some money into their public umbrella company, Partygaming (ticker symbol: PYGMF). It's a low-volume pink sheet, but there was a 10% jump with a volume surge during the last trading hour.

04-16-2011 , 01:04 AM

#2065

SnotBoogy

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 7,694

how many offices are gonna get interviews and applications from dudes who haven't done real work in 5 years. its gonna be pretty funny to be in HR

04-16-2011 , 01:04 AM

#2066

Thundercat32

banned

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,313

Quote:

Originally Posted by LebreMan

LOL nightly 100k just got rebranded, now it's a 50k semi guaranteed

fyp

04-16-2011 , 01:04 AM

#2067

FearNoArt

adept

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 717

Wow, so this is why it was taking forever to log on to 2+2 earlier, crazy traffic. This makes me sick.

04-16-2011 , 01:05 AM

#2068

kid poker bs

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Phil Ivey

Wow. Ok. Not only have I read the indictment multiple times today but I did so with a team of other attorneys. I am also "familiar" with the legal defense theories of PS and FT....

I guess it is cool to call me names and such but really I would hope that we could have an actual discussion about this stuff. I have no problem with anyone not agreeing with me but it is more helpful to me and everyone reading if you point to specific facts and laws to support your criticism.

Dude give it a rest. If you are an "attorney" you wasted your money at your local community "law school". Anyone with an ounce of legal experience can instantly spot your BS.

I hate even calling you out. It's a waste of space in this thread. My apologies 2p2 world. Let's get some more legit information together as it presents itself.

04-16-2011 , 01:05 AM

#2069

creator8

newbie

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 37

is it safer to leave 3K in there or panic cashout....

04-16-2011 , 01:05 AM

#2070

n0nplussed

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,488

Thoughts:

1. I'd leave my money on FTP/Stars for now, rather than sending into the netherworld of "75 frozen accounts in 14 countries" by requesting a withdrawal at about the worst time EVER to do so. I have a decent chunk tied up there so I'm not thrilled about this either, but I truly can't imagine the DOJ justifying a $10B+ seizure of players funds. I know it sucks, but we're just going to have to wait it out.

2. LOL to anyone blaming Obama/current government. This is a DOJ investigation and it's been going on for a year. Besides, the UIGEA was passed under a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENCY, SENATE, AND HOUSE.

3. BEAT/BRAG: Paid taxes today even before I knew this was going on. Would have gotten a $1.2k refund if I hadn't declared my poker winnings. But of course I did did, and got to wire a smooth $1k to the state and feds.

Moral: Not all poker players are law-dodging scumbags.