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10-01-2015 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ElvanDalton
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Players will be able to view the last 12 months of their own hand histories within the Missions icon in the partypoker software, but hand histories will no longer be able to be downloaded and saved to their local devices
without partypoker client, No more homework! yeah..

Hopefully the hand histories at Party are presented in a way that's similar to the way they show up in PokerTracker, and not like it is in the Bovada client. There you aren't able to see the hands in list form, or sort them by category - and each hand history takes time to load up, and is three pages long.
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10-01-2015 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Tutejszy
well, it's pretty simple to predict how is this gonna go. Party gets some additional buisness from hud-tards (I guess there might be a couple hundreds people around the world who will actually move there because of the change), within month or two hudtards realise they still cant win, they move on to a new rationalization (rigged soft/bots/whatever), they stop playing, party is even worse off than before, as now there is literally zero reg v reg action.
winner!
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10-01-2015 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
Sure bro, huds dont make you a better player but a script is essentially pushing your game theoretical approach to a redbaron like state.

Next time do me a favour and just write: " i use a hud and want it to stay but i dont use a script and therefore want them to go"

Thanks
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10-01-2015 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by uradoodooface
I see the opposite happening honestly. There will be mass tablers jumping ship but I see a bunch of players dropping to 4-6 tables and having much higher winrates cuz of these changes both because of the quality of the player pool and the quality of their own play.
This! The day online poker jumped the shark so to speak was the day limit poker allowed 8 tabling. The games went from tough but beatable at 2/4 limit to near dead. No limit was sustainable because a fish can give his whole buy in with top pair or worse, but limit was doomed with over fishing.
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10-01-2015 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TR7isBetterThanU
How do you expect anyone to be able to make a living playing small stakes if they can't multi-table? Or do you not want anyone to make a living? If no then **** you. If nobody is able to make a living then poker is useless and may as well just be abolished completely so everyone can go play blackjack.
Recs getting annoyed that one of their hobbies is less enjoyable < Professionals no longer being able to make a living.
The former falls so far behind the latter in terms of importance.
Au contraire you will be making more per table. Depending on what you define as a living but you might be able to make a living at stakes that were profitable for low paying jobs in Western countries ie 50NL now. The over saturation of multi-tablers has ruined these stakes.
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10-01-2015 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TR7isBetterThanU
How do you expect anyone to be able to make a living playing small stakes if they can't multi-table? Or do you not want anyone to make a living? If no then **** you. If nobody is able to make a living then poker is useless and may as well just be abolished completely so everyone can go play blackjack.
Recs getting annoyed that one of their hobbies is less enjoyable < Professionals no longer being able to make a living.
The former falls so far behind the latter in terms of importance.
Since when does any poker site owe you a living anyway?
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10-01-2015 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TR7isBetterThanU
HUD's won't slow down the rate at which a Rec loses his money to a Reg. Reg's are so far ahead of recs that an absent HUD means **** all. I barely ever even look at my HUD vs the mark.
HUD's are essential to exploit other regs and a range in skill between regs being as wide as it can be is v good for the games and makes it a lot more competitive. Without HUD's everyone's going to be playing a completely standard, tight, GTO approach which will leave barely anyone winning at more than a 2 win rate and most being break-even. Also like I said people simply won't be able to make a living at small stakes if they can't play a fairly high number of tables. I know I wouldn't feel comfortable playing more than 6 without a HUD but even then I'd feel all at sea vs regs I've previously had a small edge against.
If they had to ban HUD's then at least just ban them from 25nl and lower where nobody's making a living from it so recs are kept happy. Not that this would be a solution ever taken.

Lmao. Without hud everyone will play perfect gto and poker will go away Party Poker banning seating scripts and investigating changes to hand histories and HUDs

All I see is gto on bavada. No money on bovada everyone's solid.
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10-01-2015 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Alexdb
They won't, because the population will include fewer seats filled by regs, and as soon as you reduce the seating ratio slightly it more than makes up for some extra winrate based on attention.

So actually, table winrates (bb/100) will increase for everyone, regs and recs (because the mix changes). Hourly rates will move towards zero - lower for winners and higher for losers.

Those are good things for the poker economy. Games will be more fun, hot streaks will exist, and fish will lose net more slowly.
Yes back when the games played closer to live poker. It was quite common to see an obvious fish/whale sitting on multiple stacks playing awful poker getting paid off by the regs or better for the game getting action from fellow fish/whales.
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10-01-2015 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick_AA
Lmao. Without hud everyone will play perfect gto and poker will go away Party Poker banning seating scripts and investigating changes to hand histories and HUDs

All I see is gto on bavada. No money on bovada everyone's solid.
Strap on your hard hat and learn how to beat lags. Because that's who will go on heaters.
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10-01-2015 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenBluffit
Since when does any poker site owe you a living anyway?
Exactly. People like TR7 think poker is all about them. Every post of his reeks of entitlement. "My skill set" bla bla like playing poker for a barely liveable winrate is something to be proud of
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10-02-2015 , 12:08 AM
Okish move but you should of killed the clones.
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10-02-2015 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
What makes you feel you should be entitled to making a living playing small stakes? I knew a guy who made a living as a type writer repair man.. should he get Pissed at the world and feel he's still entitles to make a living at his ****ty little job? Your only option is to get better and beat midstakes, which you know your not good enough and can never be. Time to get a job bro
lol
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10-02-2015 , 12:23 AM
w00t w00t!!!
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10-02-2015 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by richdog
And that's why there is so much opposition to this move. How dare a rec play at a table where he can't be bum hunted and auto-sat by 5 'pros'.

Also, regarding the HH issue if you can view a whole years in the history then you can go through hands and import them yourself into a HUD. You just won't have this happen automatically and you won't have the HUD in play to help you. Sounds like laziness and entitlement from the 'pros' to me.
+1
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10-02-2015 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Partypoker
we are just doing our duty as an online poker operator to provide a level playing field and ensure that we strive to provide the fairest and most ethical environment for all poker players to enjoy the game that we all love
Okay -- if you want to provide a fair and ethical environment, why don't you pay people back for all they lost out on due to bots/collusion?
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10-02-2015 , 02:04 AM
Instead of banning huds, sites should incorporate a free one for all players that can be switched on and off at a players convenience.
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10-02-2015 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Two SHAE
Okay -- if you want to provide a fair and ethical environment, why don't you pay people back for all they lost out on due to bots/collusion?
what bots?

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10-02-2015 , 02:19 AM
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10-02-2015 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
Exactly. People like TR7 think poker is all about them. Every post of his reeks of entitlement. "My skill set" bla bla like playing poker for a barely liveable winrate is something to be proud of
If his skill set includes the ability to write his own HUD then his sense of entitlement is well placed. He holds title over which property he alone chooses to possess or not, on terms drawn only by the limits of his own ingenuity.

Playing online poker for any win rate is a test of merit and is as much a legitimate source of pride, if you're predisposed to that sort of thing.
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10-02-2015 , 03:39 AM
Champion of nano stakes, TR7 dropping wisdom lol.
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10-02-2015 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny.Wice
Champion of nano stakes, TR7 dropping wisdom lol.
he could be a panty wasted son of a millionaire who thinks hes amarillo slim or something like that
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10-02-2015 , 05:21 AM
Why is this misleading and incorrect topic title allowed to remain in place?
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10-02-2015 , 05:27 AM
Some absolute gold itt. Thanks guys. Just waiting for some of these software professionals to declare that they will be taking party to court for loss of earnings.
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10-02-2015 , 05:49 AM
It's funny that so many people itt have no concept of how huds work. Ansky made a brilliant post about it some time ago (can't find it, if someone can pls post it). Basically, huds are used primarily for 2 purposes- off table work and in reg-on-reg wars. Using huds effectively against recreational players is very hard and often pointless because of several reasons. Sample size vs recs is usually too small to say anything meaningful about postflop, recs play based on table dynamics/their mood much more than poker theory (so it's way harder to interpret stats), many recs believe in things like lucky hands etc.

All these mean that banning huds would limit players' ability to work on their game and would also drastically limit number of reg battle (since edges shrink) and make some formats like zoom close to unplayable, while making close to no difference to recreational players. Anyone believing that they're losing now cause of huds but would come back and start winning if huds are banned is simply delusional.
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10-02-2015 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by theonepunter
You do realise those saying that HUD's aren't banned that they require local hand histories to work so in effect PP are making PT4 + HM2 obsolete. Holdemindicator will probably have some HUD though as they had one for Unibet and have one for SkyPoker where there are no hand histories.
Holdemindicator doesn't work on Unibet.
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