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10-01-2015 , 11:41 AM

#51

NikTheGreek

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,645

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Originally Posted by nikinblinds

partypoker dont have the resources to ban huds, already programmers will be looking at other ways to get hud's running, screen grabbing etc.

this.
And if they put all the resources trying to catch players that use HUDs then forget about software improvements, catching bots etc.

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Cash game traffic dropped significantly shortly after Full Tilt implemented its recent changes, something that Kanabar and his team are aware of, but believe that the changes set to come into force will benefit the site and its players in the long term.

So for an unknown period they will have less income.. I want to see how long they will survive trying to support those changes.

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Originally Posted by ouinosino

and btw. i never thought partypoker would implent this. shows you how much of a big sucker amya and pokerstars are with having the monopol by a large margin and still just banning a few stats in hm and pt...they are scared of loosing their customers and hurting their money making machine..pussys

Why would stars risk it? They have Full Tilt for trying out stuff (oh.. and party too).

Also, I dont get how they think recs will lose their money slower when those HUDs disappear. The reg will play less tables and so will have higher win rate. That to me means recs will lose their money quicker.

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10-01-2015 , 11:47 AM

#52

ouinosino

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 838

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Originally Posted by NikTheGreek

this.
And if they put all the resources trying to catch players that use HUDs then forget about software improvements, catching bots etc.

From the link:

So for an unknown period they will have less income.. I want to see how long they will survive trying to support those changes.

Why would stars risk it? They have Full Tilt for trying out stuff (oh.. and party too).

Also, I dont get how they think recs will lose their money slower when those HUDs disappear. The reg will play less tables and so will have higher win rate. That to me means recs will lose their money quicker.

why are you then using huds in the first place

makes no sense to me

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10-01-2015 , 11:48 AM

#53

BraveJayhawk

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Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,575

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Originally Posted by PasswordGotHacked

"Players wishing to wait for a cash game will join the room-wide waiting list and be randomly seated when a seat that matches their preference becomes available" - This however is AWESOME and should be adopted by every site

This is a big step in the right direction

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10-01-2015 , 11:51 AM

#54

sixfour

should be called sevenfour

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 75,520

Maybe I might sign up to Party 10+ years too late

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10-01-2015 , 12:12 PM

#55

RecreationalPlayer

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 389

The argument that this will stop the players catching bots and cheaters is not really valid in my opinion. The damage done by HUD's and seating scripts is far greater than any bot ring, surely?

Plus, they are not saying the hand histories are never viewable, they are just not downloadable by YOU.

Rake has nothing to do with it either. Everyone wants a safe secure site that catches every single cheat, but nobody likes paying rake.

The programmers can try and scrape the screen, but PP only have to allow screen names changes and all that work is wasted.

This is good for the game. End of story. Anybody who is upset by this was "cheating" someone else anyway.

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10-01-2015 , 12:12 PM

#56

NikTheGreek

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,645

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Originally Posted by ouinosino

why are you then using huds in the first place

makes no sense to me

How do you know I am?
Regs use HUDs for many reasons.. but the answer you want is the following:
For multitabling so they can have better win rate overall. Less winrate per table but more winrate overall.

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10-01-2015 , 12:22 PM

#57

dummy101

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 195

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Originally Posted by BraveJayhawk

This is a big step in the right direction

...if the right direction is turning online poker into a pit game.

No table selecting and no HUDs means winrates drop AGAIN as another massive edge is removed. GTO, and thus bots, will gain value. Bots and colluders will be near impossible for players to detect.

I agree there needs to be a solution to the predatory nature of the current state of online poker, but this seriously impacts security and the fast disappearing winrates while not surprisingly massively increasing the amount the site rakes.

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10-01-2015 , 12:22 PM

#58

Stinky Stu

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,204

Great move by Party. Long overdue.

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10-01-2015 , 12:23 PM

#59

ouinosino

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 838

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Originally Posted by NikTheGreek

just meant in general, that your statement doesnt make much sense.

doesnt have anything to do with you using a hud or not.

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10-01-2015 , 12:28 PM

#60

Roger Mainfield

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,200

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Originally Posted by ouinosino

Stars has the lions share of the market, they don't want to do anything that might upset that unless it's a guaranteed good thing. The only hope for online to improve is if more bottom tier sites make changes.

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10-01-2015 , 12:32 PM

#61

NikTheGreek

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,645

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Originally Posted by ouinosino

just meant in general, that your statement doesnt make much sense.

doesnt have anything to do with you using a hud or not.

I wasnt offended or anything :-p.

What I mean is that when regs dont use HUDs they will play less tables. Playing less tables means they will pay more attention to players. That means they will get more edge on recs so recs will lose their money to regs faster.
Their overall winrate will probably fall a bit but the table winrate will increase. For example if your winrate for each table when 6tabling is 3bb/100 and you increase your tables to 15, that winrate will fall to say 2bb/100. They will make more money when multitabling with less table winrate.

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10-01-2015 , 12:38 PM

#62

dummy101

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 195

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Originally Posted by RecreationalPlayer

Pokerstars rake a billion dollars a year and still players are doing a better job of weeding out cheats even with far less data to hand, more rake does not equal better security, and you can be sure as sh** not a bean more will go on finding cheats once players hand histories go dark.

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10-01-2015 , 01:06 PM

#63

gausspoker

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Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 945

nice! I hope they can reinforce it

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10-01-2015 , 01:07 PM

#64

RecreationalPlayer

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 389

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Originally Posted by dummy101

Your talking like the hand histories cease to exist. Also I never mentioned poker stars, so not sure why you felt the need to mention their rake....

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10-01-2015 , 01:29 PM

#65

coach999

adept

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,199

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Originally Posted by PasswordGotHacked

Do people still play at party?

(Serious question - the rake there was huge last check)

"Players wishing to wait for a cash game will join the room-wide waiting list and be randomly seated when a seat that matches their preference becomes available" - This however is AWESOME and should be adopted by every site

wait a sec, this easyseat function exists in stars for few years already and ftp has something similar to this as well.

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10-01-2015 , 01:35 PM

#66

Codecci

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Originally Posted by NikTheGreek

Well, regs can't hog so many tables then and there will be higher chance of 2 or more recreationals sitting on same table.

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10-01-2015 , 01:38 PM

#67

DarkMattersMan

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Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 960

LOL. More good news. I may actually play on there again and see what its like. Haven't played there in years though.

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10-01-2015 , 01:40 PM

#68

Alexdb

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Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 618

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Originally Posted by NikTheGreek

I wasnt offended or anything :-p.

What I mean is that when regs dont use HUDs they will play less tables. Playing less tables means they will pay more attention to players. That means they will get more edge on recs so recs will lose their money to regs faster.
Their overall winrate will probably fall a bit but the table winrate will increase. For example if your winrate for each table when 6tabling is 3bb/100 and you increase your tables to 15, that winrate will fall to say 2bb/100. They will make more money when multitabling with less table winrate.

They won't, because the population will include fewer seats filled by regs, and as soon as you reduce the seating ratio slightly it more than makes up for some extra winrate based on attention.

So actually, table winrates (bb/100) will increase for everyone, regs and recs (because the mix changes). Hourly rates will move towards zero - lower for winners and higher for losers.

Those are good things for the poker economy. Games will be more fun, hot streaks will exist, and fish will lose net more slowly.

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10-01-2015 , 01:46 PM

#69

DarkMattersMan

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Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 960

Yeah. Hopefully we will start to see chat boxes filled with banter, and slagging matches etc. A morgue has more atmosphere then a table filled with multitabling regs.

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10-01-2015 , 02:31 PM

#70

Halibot

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 194

Don't really understand why any reg would whine so much about this change. if your game is solid nothing really changes and you're getting pretty much a guaranteed increase in traffic. Unless you're a huge bumhunter and don't want to risk playing hands with any regs at all.

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10-01-2015 , 02:42 PM

#71

ReliableSource

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,301

This is a step in the right direction. This might open some people's eyes.

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10-01-2015 , 02:52 PM

#72

JohnCleese

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,935

I don't know if it's screen grabbing or chat box logging but Sky Poker don't allow huds yet HoldemIndicator still manage to get a hud running on there.

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10-01-2015 , 02:59 PM

#73

richdog

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 453

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Originally Posted by Codecci

Well, regs can't hog so many tables then and there will be higher chance of 2 or more recreationals sitting on same table.

And that's why there is so much opposition to this move. How dare a rec play at a table where he can't be bum hunted and auto-sat by 5 'pros'.

Also, regarding the HH issue if you can view a whole years in the history then you can go through hands and import them yourself into a HUD. You just won't have this happen automatically and you won't have the HUD in play to help you. Sounds like laziness and entitlement from the 'pros' to me.

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10-01-2015 , 03:11 PM

#74

ArtyMcFly

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 13,256

Good moves. Only about five years too late.

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10-01-2015 , 03:20 PM

#75

sb77

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 568

all these NL25-100 grinders all butthurt because they can't grind 2.2BB/100 or w/e

lawl

get a life, it will make things better for low steaks games.

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