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05-27-2012 , 10:20 PM
Where is me 2 cents? Just my 2 cents
05-27-2012 , 10:20 PM
Here's a bit more common sense on why the PK temporary jobs went away...DOJ would not have had an issue with GBT spending money on getting a few PK employees onboard prior to closing, because GBT wasn't a party to settlement negotiations of the actual lawsuit and criminal indictments. PS, on the other hand, is.

It is entirely nonsensical that DOJ would rubberstamp PS starting to hire employees at PK (or extend temporary contracts) until the legal actions are, in fact, settled in their entirety.

The other likely read on it, is what I said weeks ago. That is, that PS, if it does ultimately reach an agreement with DOJ, will be buying all the FTP/PK assets, and making accountholders whole, but will not be reopening FTP as its own self-standing poker site, and will simply take and absorb the best parts of it into PS itself, and thus, will have no need at all for any Dublin-based PK employees.
05-27-2012 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mondogarage
Here's a bit more common sense on why the PK temporary jobs went away...DOJ would not have had an issue with GBT spending money on getting a few PK employees onboard prior to closing, because GBT wasn't a party to settlement negotiations of the actual lawsuit and criminal indictments. PS, on the other hand, is.

It is entirely nonsensical that DOJ would rubberstamp PS starting to hire employees at PK (or extend temporary contracts) until the legal actions are, in fact, settled in their entirety.

The other likely read on it, is what I said weeks ago. That is, that PS, if it does ultimately reach an agreement with DOJ, will be buying all the FTP/PK assets, and making accountholders whole, but will not be reopening FTP as its own self-standing poker site, and will simply take and absorb the best parts of it into PS itself, and thus, will have no need at all for any Dublin-based PK employees.
So what you're saying is.... in reality.... if you want your money back from FTP, it's a good thing (sad as it may be) that people don't have a job right now?
05-27-2012 , 10:37 PM
Full Tilt/their associated companies aren't going through bankruptcy proceedings in the US, is there any reason to believe that the DOJ is exerting that kind of control? I would be surprised if the DOJ has anything to do with the contracts of their temporary employees
05-27-2012 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Huskermoney00
So what you're saying is.... in reality.... if you want your money back from FTP, it's a good thing (sad as it may be) that people don't have a job right now?
Pretty much makes sense. If it isn't broke, why fix it? Stars has exceptional customer service and support on their end. There is really no need to bring in employees that already existed with pktkngs or tilt. Stars would be smart to separate themselves as far as possible from the company while still purchasing the software. If you bought out a shady company would you want any of the management or workers coming with? You think stars hasn't thought about what people would think about the situation? People would think it's kind of like the Ultimate bet ordeal when they claimed all new management and no more shadyness when that was in fact untrue in the end. Stars knows what they need to do to make the purchase as smooth as possible without letting any scum come along. All we can do at this point is speculate about speculation unfortunately.
05-27-2012 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Huskermoney00
So what you're saying is.... in reality.... if you want your money back from FTP, it's a good thing (sad as it may be) that people don't have a job right now?
No, that's not what I'm saying at all, really. No hidden subtext in what I say.

What I'm saying is, the disappearance of PK job listings and the termination of the recent temporary contracts, have nothing at all to do with PS' negotiations with DOJ, but rather, solely their relationship to the end of GBT's bid for the company. And, that it's useless to read anything PS-related into it, because they're a) not going to be able to hire anyone until after all matters are signed and resolved in the legal realm, and also b) they're likely to be jobs added to PS on Isle of Man or wherever, and not PK jobs, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Dudd
Full Tilt/their associated companies aren't going through bankruptcy proceedings in the US, is there any reason to believe that the DOJ is exerting that kind of control? I would be surprised if the DOJ has anything to do with the contracts of their temporary employees
FTP doesn't have use for temporary employees unless they're gearing up to run as an independent business. They also don't have the money to be adding employees on their own, or frankly, the need to. Because they're never operating again unless/until their legal troubles are behind them.

The DOJ has nothing to do with the contracts of temporary employees, but everything to do with PS buying assets of FTP, and thus, any need of or ability for FTP to hire employees.

Last edited by SGT RJ; 05-27-2012 at 11:25 PM.
05-27-2012 , 11:17 PM
Diamond flush posts are why i still read this thread
05-27-2012 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GrimeRat420
Diamond flush posts are why i still read this thread
So much this.
05-27-2012 , 11:48 PM
Lol at anyone spinning the jobs disappearing as a good thing.
05-28-2012 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
Lol at anyone spinning the jobs disappearing as a good thing.
Is anyone doing this? I see a lot of people noting (rightfully imo) that a random job disappearance likely has no relevance, I missed the posts where people started thinking it was actively good.
05-28-2012 , 12:33 AM
I do find it interesting that a certain person was banned for posting speculation that turned out to be not true.

(1) Isn't this the speculation thread where anything posted here should not be regarded as accurate ? (real/actual news posted elsewhere)

(2) Hasn't there been about 5000 other people before him who have posted times/dates/predictions/deals that havn't come true?
Should they all be banned because they posted nonsense in the nonsense thread?

(3) Does anyone read this thread and take most of what is being written seriously?
Havn't we learned anything by now. Nobody knows jack ****.
05-28-2012 , 12:40 AM
How is it that FTP has been in such a limbo state for the past year+ since black friday? Do they have any employees left? Any creditors? Any bills? Any funds coming in?
05-28-2012 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
Lol at anyone spinning the jobs disappearing as a good thing.
It's a neutral thing, in that it has absolutely nothing to do with an eventual PS purchase of FTP assets. It's a very bad thing for PK employees, obv, and not a good thing for anyone.

Please point out to us all where anyone's claimed it to be a "good" thing.
05-28-2012 , 01:04 AM
To take the conversation in a bit of a different direction, I thought I'd report a curious occurrence when I went to play live poker Friday night. While I was there, I saw no less than three players wearing Full Tilt branded gear. (One guy with a hat, one with a jersey, and one with a "I knocked out..." t-shirt.)

I only got to talk to two of them directly, but neither one of them had any idea anything bad was going on with Full Tilt. I asked them where they played (in separate conversations, they weren't together) and they both reported that they hadn't played in awhile, but that when they did, they played on Full Tilt. One of the guys was actually at the table and a few of the other grinders shot him a "What the ****, is this guy for real?" look when he said it, but he was quite earnest.

Makes me wonder if the Full Tilt brand isn't as trashed as 2+2 seems to think it is. Kind of makes you realize that 2+2 is really just the vocal minority of the poker community - there are plenty of casual players out there that really have just never heard of 2+2 or make any attempt to keep up on recent poker strategy or news developments.
05-28-2012 , 01:10 AM
I can't be the only one checking this thread solely for Huskermoney posts, can I?
05-28-2012 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by starvingwriter82
To take the conversation in a bit of a different direction, I thought I'd report a curious occurrence when I went to play live poker Friday night. While I was there, I saw no less than three players wearing Full Tilt branded gear. (One guy with a hat, one with a jersey, and one with a "I knocked out..." t-shirt.)

I only got to talk to two of them directly, but neither one of them had any idea anything bad was going on with Full Tilt. I asked them where they played (in separate conversations, they weren't together) and they both reported that they hadn't played in awhile, but that when they did, they played on Full Tilt. One of the guys was actually at the table and a few of the other grinders shot him a "What the ****, is this guy for real?" look when he said it, but he was quite earnest.

Makes me wonder if the Full Tilt brand isn't as trashed as 2+2 seems to think it is. Kind of makes you realize that 2+2 is really just the vocal minority of the poker community - there are plenty of casual players out there that really have just never heard of 2+2 or make any attempt to keep up on recent poker strategy or news developments.
This was my point with how perfect the vehicle of the WSOP is for discriminating information to the casual populace. I have played in the WSOP, and specifically the Main Event, for the last 6 years (nice ****ing brag bro) and I can't tell you how many people I have met who are playing the 10k buy in because they won their local VFW tournament to get in and they are going to tell their buddies back home all about it. As soon as they go back to their smaller poker communities, each of them will not only be able to tell them about how FTP ****ed everyone over, but also how this great company Pokerstars came and saved all of their previous competition's customer base's money. It is priceless publicity that only hinges on the completeness of the deal.
05-28-2012 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by irockhoess
I can't be the only one checking this thread solely for Huskermoney posts, can I?
+1000
05-28-2012 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by starvingwriter82
To take the conversation in a bit of a different direction, I thought I'd report a curious occurrence when I went to play live poker Friday night. While I was there, I saw no less than three players wearing Full Tilt branded gear. (One guy with a hat, one with a jersey, and one with a "I knocked out..." t-shirt.)

I only got to talk to two of them directly, but neither one of them had any idea anything bad was going on with Full Tilt. I asked them where they played (in separate conversations, they weren't together) and they both reported that they hadn't played in awhile, but that when they did, they played on Full Tilt. One of the guys was actually at the table and a few of the other grinders shot him a "What the ****, is this guy for real?" look when he said it, but he was quite earnest.

Makes me wonder if the Full Tilt brand isn't as trashed as 2+2 seems to think it is. Kind of makes you realize that 2+2 is really just the vocal minority of the poker community - there are plenty of casual players out there that really have just never heard of 2+2 or make any attempt to keep up on recent poker strategy or news developments.

That is so messed up. That would just tilt me no end.
05-28-2012 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by irockhoess
I can't be the only one checking this thread solely for Huskermoney posts, can I?
Uhhh ok?
05-28-2012 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
How is it that FTP has been in such a limbo state for the past year+ since black friday? Do they have any employees left? Any creditors? Any bills? Any funds coming in?
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05-28-2012 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by irockhoess
This was my point with how perfect the vehicle of the WSOP is for discriminating information to the casual populace. I have played in the WSOP, and specifically the Main Event, for the last 6 years (nice ****ing brag bro) and I can't tell you how many people I have met who are playing the 10k buy in because they won their local VFW tournament to get in and they are going to tell their buddies back home all about it. As soon as they go back to their smaller poker communities, each of them will not only be able to tell them about how FTP ****ed everyone over, but also how this great company Pokerstars came and saved all of their previous competition's customer base's money. It is priceless publicity that only hinges on the completeness of the deal.
How does one discriminate information?
05-28-2012 , 04:22 AM
So.. news next weeK?
05-28-2012 , 05:20 AM
Diamond, is it true that you were/are under a NDA with the DOJ?
05-28-2012 , 05:58 AM
When will this roller-coaster end
05-28-2012 , 06:05 AM
I had a dream last night I was playing on FTP again and they added a option to make the avatar puke as one of the emotions. Was kind of cool.

      
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