I was a rec player on FTP and I preferred it over Stars too, however, I was not IN LOVE with the site LOL! Maybe a new FTP will have a lot of the same value as the old FTP without the incredibly bad management and end results. Or maybe it will only resemble the original, who really knows? Don't matter as much to USA for a while anyway, but I hope the ROW FTP zealots and fans get what they want back( and their BRs too)!

i only think he said the first part, I really dont think hes staying on ftp2

I'm pretty sure none of the four horsemen will retain voting stock in FTP2.

Lesser shareholders, maybe, but they aren't the ones that created this mess.

I might have missed that in the thousand or so posts going back and forth about nothing, so I'll assume you're right about this.

However, the original point made was that FTP is nothing like UB, and I don't get how anyone can't see that stealing $300M isn't at least as bad.

Morphy

FWIW I agree with you that what happened was simply atrocious and that no poker player should ever forget what happened. Additionally, players will be playing on a new FTP at their own risk, which will still be non-zero even if none of the prior 4 BOD's are part of the company.

They would never consider just paying back what was deposited and for 2 reasons
1: How far back to they go for deposits?7

2: Money has been won and lost, it would be hard to get some of the money back. Actually, the money deposited is gone, moved all around. I'm sure some of it was withdrawn already by the ROW while FTP was still processing withdraws

Anyways, they would have to offer to pay back ROW or they would never get new money/players. Who would deposit money on a site that has yet to pay back its players?

By flocking back to FTP the minute they reopen you send the wrong message to future online gaming operators. You send the message that it's ok to **** players over while showing little to no remorse.

A much better message to send is one that tells operators if they **** the players over they'll lose their business forever.

For those that think the old FTP owners cared about players all one has to do is look at customer service and look at how player funds were misappropriated. They didn't care about players and therefor don't deserve a second chance.

Give your business to a site that deserves it. Not a site that develops some snazzy software and uses it to rip you off.

I'll give you a hint: it's brown and cavernous, and has a distinct odor.

I don't see how the US government is going to pay back all money deposited by US players. That number alone would have to be over half a billion dollars. Where is that money going to come from?

On the other hand, seeing how US players are only owed $150 million, it would be a windfall for US players if they could ever figure out a way to pool the money and distribute it correctly.

Pokerstars is a terrible terrible software, FTP was by far the best one, period.

Pokerstars became the world's largest online poker site with terrible software???

+1 Looking forward to regulation to get some actual poker sties with playable software. Poker Stars will def have some competition on the future once the storm gets settled.

Besides the fact that they are actually gone....?

Have you played on Merge? The bar has been lowered. Pokerstars looks like an incredible technological marvel that has been shaped by the will of the players by comparison.

Link please or stop spreading misinformation. I've read the exact opposite on many occasions in this thread.

It's like having a debate with a brick wall, but you do understand that the people who will be operating the new site are completely different from the ones who stole the money? It wasn't the Full Tilt software that magically swallowed our cash. If Tapie decides to put in $150 million to pay us back instead of say, starting up his own poker site, you think the reaction should be "**** off, we're going somewhere else, thanks for the hundred and fifty million"??

As I said, I was going on information from a few weeks ago from Ifrah where he stated that Bitar still held his position.

Morphy

fingers crossed for FTP to open by end january-mid feb.
im tired of all of this saga

I just want my money. I just bought a car 6 weeks ago now I found out the gasket is shot. 1400 repair job.

In fact, here's the latest mention of Bitar in the cliffs:

You would think that if an item as big as Bitar being removed from his position happened that it would be in the cliffs.

As I said, if I missed this in the thousands of posts from the same people arguing back and forth I'm sorry, but I'm just going on the info provided so far.

Morphy

I for one am shocked that he's still in charge prior to the sale of the company

Look at the cliffs for this thread. There's no mention of Bitar being removed from his position. He emailed shareholders less than 2 months ago.

Morphy

actually I have never heard that there was any intent to pay back deposits. Haven t they said from day one they are going to pay back balances

Well would anybody else really want the job under the current circumstances? Kind of like being handcuffed to a decaying corpse!

November 17th:

http://www.subjectpoker.com/2011/11/...doj-agreement/

"Ray Bitar, co-Founder and CEO of Full Tilt Poker..."

Nothing on Bitar on S:P since then.

Morphy

Yes Sir, Balances, Balances, Balances, ... Deposits won't work .... is not a viable option..