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05-24-2012 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
Meh.

If China Man's source is telling him that one of the last items of contention in this deal revolves around how the payouts will be resolved, then his source does know SOMETHING about the deal because that is one of the major remaining obstacles AFAIK.
He is saying thats the only remaining obstacle, everything else is cleared.
05-24-2012 , 04:25 PM
can't wait for midnight so all this friggin chinaBS nonsense is put to rest, one way or the other.
05-24-2012 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mondogarage
This is so effing tilting, because verifying the mere existence of a source is not at all the same thing as verifying the veracity of the information coming from the source.

The ONLY thing "the source was verified" even mean, is that the person claimed to be the source, is in fact, the source of the information. It does not mean at all, that any of the information is correct, accurate, or truthful.

Saying "the source was verified" is merely saying that, when chinamaniac says his source is Joe Blow, someone else has verified that Joe Blow said something to chinamaniac.


Yeah in the old days media would coorborate information with other sources and evidence. Having some random guy say verified is not meaningful in any way.

I suspect Dan and the source are punking china because they saw how easy some random guy convinced him he was Scott matusow.
05-24-2012 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SpecialOne
He is saying thats the only remaining obstacle, everything else is cleared.
I'm aware.

I'm not saying China is right, and he certainly is a horrible poster and handling this all awfully. But that one statement is true.
05-24-2012 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
Hi china man.
fail
05-24-2012 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
Meh.

If China Man's source is telling him that one of the last items of contention in this deal revolves around how the payouts will be resolved, then his source does know SOMETHING about the deal because that is one of the major remaining obstacles AFAIK.
That implies there are more that one thing holding up a deal/announcement.

Come on Stars don't let us down.
05-24-2012 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Davidian
you can verify that my source is legit so i need not set up a second account to verify my source myself! thanks!
Verified.
My cousins friends babysitters sister says she knows your source from the time she saw him at Disneyland so you are good to go.
05-24-2012 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Go Get It
That implies there are more that one thing holding up a deal/announcement.

Come on Stars don't let us down.
It would be absurd of anyone outside of Isai/VERY upper management to be able to discern whether that's the ONLY issue.

But it is an issue remaining, and is fairly major.
05-24-2012 , 04:28 PM
Jeez, poker players are a troubled bunch...
05-24-2012 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
I'm aware.

I'm not saying China is right, and he certainly is a horrible poster and handling this all awfully. But that one statement is true.
And you are sitting in on these negotiations?
05-24-2012 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
And you are sitting in on these negotiations?
No, but I've broken some pretty big Stars news before, so it should be pretty obvious that I know some people.

I'm just not going to run around screaming it, because **** changes every day, etc.
05-24-2012 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
Ya if you knew it was Scott Matusow you would obviously believe him.
It is likely Mike Matusow and they shot another episode of Ace in the House especially for chinamaniac.

I don't care who you think your source is china. By your own posts you proved that the previous information was 100% inaccurate.

Since you have a track record of being easily duped it seems possible someone is screwing with you again. It does not matter though as you info was not accurate and you provided even more info to prove the original information was not accurate.
05-24-2012 , 04:33 PM
deposits are handeled within a second but when it comes to pay out thats always a big obstacle that needs to be negotiated for 3 centuries! thats online poker - rip off!!!!!!!
05-24-2012 , 04:34 PM
With all these insiders you would think anyone would have been able to tell us a year ago we would still be waiting. It's amazing that so many people on this site are grinding mid stakes but are privy to information of a almost billion dollar deal. I'm doing something wrong in life. I should have Become a midstakes grinder.
05-24-2012 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
With all these insiders you would think anyone would have been able to tell us a year ago we would still be waiting. It's amazing that so many people on this site are grinding mid stakes but are privy to information of a almost billion dollar deal. I'm doing something wrong in life. I should have Become a midstakes grinder.
Meh. You greatly overestimate how big the poker world is.

I've been a mod for like 6 years. Through that time you meet members of management for different poker sites for different reasons. I worked with PokerStars on developing their VIP system in like...2006 or something. Obviously some of the people I worked with then are in much higher positions now.

It's just not that hard to believe. That's why when people say they have sources, I don't doubt them. That doesn't mean the information is infallible though, and you have to be very careful about how you give the information out because stuff like this China man thing happens.
05-24-2012 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Davidian
deposits are handeled within a second but when it comes to pay out thats always a big obstacle that needs to be negotiated for 3 centuries! thats online poker - rip off!!!!!!!
I picture you as 50-70 years old and perpetually waving a cane in the air.

Is this accurate?
05-24-2012 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
Meh. You greatly overestimate how big the poker world is.

I've been a mod for like 6 years. Through that time you meet members of management for different poker sites for different reasons. I worked with PokerStars on developing their VIP system in like...2006 or something. Obviously some of the people I worked with then are in much higher positions now.

It's just not that hard to believe. That's why when people say they have sources, I don't doubt them. That doesn't mean the information is infallible though, and you have to be very careful about how you give the information out because stuff like this China man thing happens.
I don't doubt any of what your saying but I have a hard time believing a company with the owner under indictment is leaking anything from a deal with the DOJ. How would they not flip out if anything got leaked and stop the leak right then.
05-24-2012 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
I don't doubt any of what your saying but I have a hard time believing a company with the owner under indictment is leaking anything from a deal with the DOJ. How would they not flip out if anything got leaked and stop the leak right then.
Isai still walks around the office everyday at Stars. He sat in meetings with the player reps a few weeks ago. He's not hiding.
05-24-2012 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
I don't doubt any of what your saying but I have a hard time believing a company with the owner under indictment is leaking anything from a deal with the DOJ. How would they not flip out if anything got leaked and stop the leak right then.
I have to agree with this, especially with PS and the owners now on double secret probation.
05-24-2012 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
Isai still walks around the office everyday at Stars. He sat in meetings with the player reps a few weeks ago. He's not hiding.
I'm not insinuating that he is hiding at all. I'm saying I doubt his dealings with a government that could put him in prison for the rest of his life should be kept very secret. Not leaked to a sports gambler.
05-24-2012 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
I have a hard time believing a company with the owner under indictment is leaking anything from a deal with the DOJ.
Do you know how easy information gets leaked? It happenes every day in every aspect of all business

How do you think the chili guy got the information that Stars was in the works with something?

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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
I'm not insinuating that he is hiding at all. I'm saying I doubt his dealings with a government that could put him in prison for the rest of his life should be kept very secret. Not leaked to a sports gambler.
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05-24-2012 , 04:43 PM
^ he never quits. It's just sad what this guy has done for attention.
05-24-2012 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
I'm not insinuating that he is hiding at all. I'm saying I doubt his dealings with a government that could put him in prison for the rest of his life should be kept very secret. Not leaked to a sports gambler.
But Isai talks to others, who talks to others. Isai didn't call up China Man. Some dude heard from some dude. That's why the information isn't infallible, it's why you don't run around like an idiot preaching it as gospel, but it's also why it probably has lots of truth to it.
05-24-2012 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Chinamaniac
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Is that "The Situation" as your avatar?
05-24-2012 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
But Isai talks to others, who talks to others. Isai didn't call up China Man. Some dude heard from some dude. That's why the information isn't infallible, it's why you don't run around like an idiot preaching it as gospel, but it's also why it probably has lots of truth to it.
What you aren't getting is had someone with your track record reported this info there would have been no backlash. Coming from him after the Scott Matusow incident I wanted to make sure everyone that didn't know found out he was not credible.

      
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