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07-09-2012 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by black_friday
Nooo

Was debating how bwin going from 160 down to 108 was a reflection of FTP deal being imminent... obviously tinfoil hat conspiracy but hey, a man can dream right?
That's what you were talking about at first. It's not what you're talking about now.
07-09-2012 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Blizzuff
The fact that one person talks violently out of their ass as a counterpoint doesn't automatically make the mainstream viewpoint less legitimate/unbiased.
You're certainly correct about that!
07-09-2012 , 03:11 AM
More good news-probably already posted

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/07/06/...han-deli-meat/
07-09-2012 , 03:25 AM
now i understand why bitar went back to the states.
07-09-2012 , 03:30 AM
I would pay good money to see some of you ppl in a cage fight against each other.
07-09-2012 , 04:09 AM
Why does DF say that Bitar turning himself in wasnt part of the process for this deal? He stated in his email that it was... I'm not doubting her or anything but just curious.... Also, the DOJ said that him doing this was pry going to happen anyway from the new owners. So I can see both point of views here, maybe he was just trying to make himself look like the good guy?

Also, i know that one week extension ends today or tomorrow, how long after it ends do they have to file for another extension??
07-09-2012 , 04:46 AM
for the first time I went to quadjacks archives and listened to mike and scott matusow on an interview may 16 2011. Im sure its been discussed quite a bit but to listen to that and see where ft sits now, they sound like super douchebags. Both of them going on and on about people getting paid shortly and Just how sure he is "im no joe seebok so yeah you guys are getting paid real soon" etc etc.

I would like to see marco play that back for him now and ask him his thoughts.
07-09-2012 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Byrung
for the first time I went to quadjacks archives and listened to mike and scott matusow on an interview may 16 2011. Im sure its been discussed quite a bit but to listen to that and see where ft sits now, they sound like super douchebags. Both of them going on and on about people getting paid shortly and Just how sure he is "im no joe seebok so yeah you guys are getting paid real soon" etc etc.

I would like to see marco play that back for him now and ask him his thoughts.
Hey, you better start talking better about chinamaniac's most trustworthy informant alright?
07-09-2012 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Byrung
for the first time I went to quadjacks archives and listened to mike and scott matusow on an interview may 16 2011. Im sure its been discussed quite a bit but to listen to that and see where ft sits now, they sound like super douchebags. Both of them going on and on about people getting paid shortly and Just how sure he is "im no joe seebok so yeah you guys are getting paid real soon" etc etc.

I would like to see marco play that back for him now and ask him his thoughts.
Must agree.
07-09-2012 , 05:20 AM
1 month of not coming to this thread made me think maybe things have progressed/changed somewhat. Instead, dothemath is still on my ignore list (and rightfully so) for his long winded posts and there are no more insider updates thanks to sgt RJ.
See ya in another month then, when i am sure **** all will still be happening.
07-09-2012 , 05:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Byrung
for the first time I went to quadjacks archives and listened to mike and scott matusow on an interview may 16 2011. Im sure its been discussed quite a bit but to listen to that and see where ft sits now, they sound like super douchebags. Both of them going on and on about people getting paid shortly and Just how sure he is "im no joe seebok so yeah you guys are getting paid real soon" etc etc.

I would like to see marco play that back for him now and ask him his thoughts.
it'll never happen. it's also pretty funny that matusow denies owing ftp money.
yet on quadjacks he was mad at tony g for not lending him money.

matusow probably handled the ftp situation the worst. he reminds me of a guy that tries to be everyones friend, or makes you think he's everyones friend.
07-09-2012 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DePokerGod
1 month of not coming to this thread made me think maybe things have progressed/changed somewhat. Instead, dothemath is still on my ignore list (and rightfully so) for his long winded posts and there are no more insider updates thanks to sgt RJ.
See ya in another month then, when i am sure **** all will still be happening.
Thanks for the update.
07-09-2012 , 05:40 AM
I want my monies back
07-09-2012 , 05:50 AM
No filings for extension yet on http://dockets.justia.com/docket/new...v02564/377900/

Anyone with Pacer access who wants to check for me if there is an extension filed?
07-09-2012 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Sicarius
No filings for extension yet on http://dockets.justia.com/docket/new...v02564/377900/

Anyone with Pacer access who wants to check for me if there is an extension filed?
There is not. Keep in mind, even if a request were filed 5 pm tonight, it would not show on the docket immediately.
07-09-2012 , 06:00 AM
Really hoping for an announcement today or this week that makes me all:
Spoiler:


Instead of more constant:
Spoiler:
07-09-2012 , 06:01 AM
So what should happen if no extension is requested?
07-09-2012 , 06:12 AM
so are we there yet?
07-09-2012 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by black_friday
No
Quotes delayed, except where indicated otherwise. Currency in GBp
GBP = Great Britain Pounds.
GBp = Great Britain Pence.

Shares on the UK stock market are almost always listed in pence.

Shares in BPTY are significantly down since this time last year. The market seems to respond sharply to news of regulation (big rises every time there is promise of US legislation, big drops every time a European country threatens to ban online gaming - see Germany). If you purchase shares in Party you are basically betting on favourable US legislation, as this is pretty much the only way that BPTY will gain significant value in the short to medium term.

/derail
07-09-2012 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bulletfb
So what should happen if no extension is requested?
Lobsters rejoice
07-09-2012 , 06:39 AM
I wonder how that fat c*** is handling jail, fat c*** fat c***

Last edited by QuadStacks; 07-09-2012 at 06:42 AM. Reason: i'm so classy
07-09-2012 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by QuadStacks
I wonder how that fat c*** is handling jail, fat c*** fat c***
I'll allow it.
07-09-2012 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Gioco
Here's a different spin on the FTP/BF story than I have seen previously. I don't think it changes anything but it is interesting to see a news source do something more than parrot the DOJ line:
http://townhall.com/columnists/katie...ys_strip_poker
This could have been an excellent article, if she had stuck to the facts rather than hyperbole, the article paints a picture of a sudden raid on internet poker sites occurring without warrant, when in fact more was seized pre-BF than on BF, in a systematic warranted process with judicial review.

While everyone argues whether it a Ponzi or profitable or illegal gambling or blah blah blah, no one focuses on what really went wrong; they continued to operate in the US after BF because they (supposedly) believed they weren't violating any law, but when accounts were seized, they kept them on the books as assets that they would eventually recover, yet didn't take the required legal step of claiming innocent ownership.

They didn't contest the forfeitures obviously because the risk of losing future US deposits (if the court ruled the funds to be derived from unlawful gambling) far outweighed the gain they hoped to recover, so they didn't actually want their day in court.

This article is disingenuous, their fourth amendment rights were never denied, they simply chose not to exercise them, while continuing to balance their books as though they did.

The story that FTP wasn't a ponzi scheme needs to be told, and businesses willing to be taxed and regulated by the State should be allowed to offer online poker, but the people doing nothing more than enforcing the laws conservatives put on the books should not now be blamed by conservative columnists simply because their boss is now a liberal.
07-09-2012 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by tamiller866
This could have been an excellent article, if she had stuck to the facts rather than hyperbole, the article paints a picture of a sudden raid on internet poker sites occurring without warrant, when in fact more was seized pre-BF than on BF, in a systematic warranted process with judicial review.

While everyone argues whether it a Ponzi or profitable or illegal gambling or blah blah blah, no one focuses on what really went wrong; they continued to operate in the US after BF because they (supposedly) believed they weren't violating any law, but when accounts were seized, they kept them on the books as assets that they would eventually recover, yet didn't take the required legal step of claiming innocent ownership.

They didn't contest the forfeitures obviously because the risk of losing future US deposits (if the court ruled the funds to be derived from unlawful gambling) far outweighed the gain they hoped to recover, so they didn't actually want their day in court.

This article is disingenuous, their fourth amendment rights were never denied, they simply chose not to exercise them, while continuing to balance their books as though they did.

The story that FTP wasn't a ponzi scheme needs to be told, and businesses willing to be taxed and regulated by the State should be allowed to offer online poker, but the people doing nothing more than enforcing the laws conservatives put on the books should not now be blamed by conservative columnists simply because their boss is now a liberal.
+1, seriously.
07-09-2012 , 08:36 AM
From the increase in pokerstars chatter on twitter, my view is that there is around an 80 percent chance we will hear something during the main event one way or the other.

      
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