I don't underestimate the virus. I'm in at-risk group, and I've been obsessively studying the international reports since day 1. I've already mentioned in the thread that an expert epidemiologist predicted up to 70% of humans could get infected this year. It's not going to kill anywhere near that number. Most people recover.

Keynes died of natural causes though. But not us.

The only option to stop this is for all humans to stop traveling for 3 weeks imo but even then you cannot contain this thing.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...he-coronavirus
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...n-2020-2%3famp

Why are you at risk group? Because you talk to travellers?

Some experts who I believe say it's more like 100%
It's definitely not nice to get it and not as harmless as I thought.

Even if you recover you are likely to get ill again.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...n-2020-2%3famp

seriously stop posting this is embarassing, I'm posting facts and you're infering a lot of **** from that, I get it, you're a pessimist and you're unhappy, go be unhappy somewhere else

like can you even ****in read, I AM AT RISK unlike you probably and I don't even react like you ****in morons

yes just like the flu is a pandemic

hell we could almost say cancer is a pandemic yet everybody lives like their goal is to get cancer

Can u clarify ur position? U think this thing is no big deal, or u think they are fear mongering? I don't really understand it... would you think .5% of ppl dying from this in the next year as not being some really high number for humanity to face?

I think people are overreacting massively and medias are trying to instigate fear instead of educating people, .5% of people dying would suck obviously, just like everybody who dies from heart disease sucks but who cares right? beef and bacon is tasty!

My position is do what you have to do to minimize the risks and stop telling people they should really be so worried, there is only so much we can control as individuals, some people like me can stay home all day everyday because online poker, some other will have to show up at work and be a little bit more exposed, that's life.

Still haven't clarified your stance, what numbers do you think they are inflating? % to get infected or % to die? Pretty likely you get infected even at home... you have to get food sent to you...
Heart disease hyperbole is silly af... i mean getting aids is really bad but people still have sex... but that's not a surprise... this is a decent % chance dying because someone sneezes next to you... quite different.

aside from the fact heart disease isn't contagious it's not very silly imo, think about the lifestyle changes it requires to avoid it, not really much harder than for the virus

what I find dumb is these numbers like 40-70% people will be infected!!!! when we don't even know what the behavior of the virus will look like in a few months, these numbers were straight up fear mongering, telling people to wash their hands and sneeze in their elbow on the other hand isn't

someone else also came up with numbers saying it was 50% death rate or something (his maths were wrong lol his numbers were like 30% death rate but whatever) this is fear mongering

all I said in this thread were numbers that are actually accurate and people jumped on me saying YOU KNOW NOTHING, WHY DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT OLD PEOPLE? like wtf is this?

anyway I'm not sure what you want me to say when you ask me what my stance is

Yeah, who is that idiot who said 40-70%? Oh, only a widely respected Harvard researcher specializing on this issue.

The flu infects 5-15% per year. This virus is significantly more contagious than the flu. It's not going to get 40-70% in 3 or 6 month but in the next 12-18 months sure, 40-70% is a reasonable range. Hopefully we can slow it down so it doesn't happen in big spikes and delay it long enough to find some working anti-viral treatments in a few months and eventually a vaccine in a year or so.

This virus isn't going away. It may fade in the summer months but we're almost certainly looking forward to "cold and flu season" becoming "cold, flu, and COVID-19 season" starting next year and going on forever. Hopefully, we'll develop partial immunity from past infections so it won't be any more devastating than slightly worse than the flu in future years vs the 20x deadlier rate we're getting right now since no one has immunity.

sure mate "almost certainly"

you see eskaborr, this is fear mongering at its finest

The CDC says that 1 out of 4 people dies from heart disease. I cut my meat intake by over 90% after having a health scare. I don't eat pork at all and feel like I'm missing out on nothing.

I recall when Sticky Rice wore that horse head on Live at the Bike there was a question of whether that was even legal. So my question is whether wearing masks that cover your face in casinos is legal and if so is it generally against casino rules?

42,730 Cases which had an outcome:

39,797 (93%) Recovered / Discharged

2,933 (7%) Deaths

About that. There's already U.S. "retail arbitrage" moves from YouTube channels that may or may not come into line-of-sight with commercial regulators or authorities if there are temporary disruptions.

I'm linking this video here not to promote it, but to show how "ethics" and "righteousness" get thrown into these business models when -- for the most part -- communities should be coordinating to provide non-traditional necessities (masks, hand sanitizer, etc) on "goodwill" merit if at all possible.



[This video is about coronavirus and the way people are making money off of it and what I believe to be the ethical way to do this and also examples of price gouging and things I don’t recommend -- WBK YouTube channel]
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Also RE: fear mongering: There are retail arbitrage and prepper channels that may have marketing incentive to irresponsibly create excitement not only on their channels, but in land-based commercial establishments.

I mention this just in case someone gets wired on alpha brain (or w/e) and stacks 20 pallets of water at a supermarket, with a couple of buddies on top of the pile carrying all the foodstuffs. Maybe just recognize some of that stuff for the "human nature" that it is (at least during this current phase of preparation).

Be prepared for some marketing irresponsibility on this front (imo). With that said, there may be local programs and civic infrastructures that can accommodate those wishing to assist with purchase/delivery of essentials to food banks, hospitals, etc on a goodwill/pro-bono basis. One would need to collaborate locally to find out more.

slightly off topic, but I do find it ironic the 3 of the 5 most frequent posters ITT are also the top three worst posters ITT. hmmm.

maybe less is more guys.

One time I wore a balaclava and ski goggles completely obscuring my face at the table.

Lots of Chinese were already wearing face masks/respirators at the table and now it's probably doubled, it's totally fine.

Could you explain to me how this is in any way
Comparable to the flue??!

Could you explain how it is possible that a 31 year old doctor died from it?
I've never seen the flue do that. Nor have I seem billions of people quarantined in their homes. And routes closed for travel.

maybe you just wanna look up what pandemic means...

I did. You are the one playing it down...

It's none of your business, really, but I'm male, oldish, I was a heavy smoker for 20 years, in generally poor health, and I'm immuno-suppressed.
All these factors mean I'm statistically more likely to die than an average person if/when I get infected. Exactly how much more likely than average is impossible to say, but I've got more to worry about than a typical healthy 25 year old.
This is not to say that healthy non-smoking female 25-year olds are entirely safe. Literally anyone can catch it, and fatalities will be subject to variance.

No way the WSOP will happen. LV casinos will soon be a ghost town like Macau.

Caesars may need to wait until some public authority orders them to cancel (maybe they need an official order to collect on their business-interruption insurance).

If one is over 50 the odds are short and scary.

70? Draw a card; ace, you die.

Some recommended reading which might help provides some objective facts to this discussion:

Regarding the Harvard epidemiologist who predicted 40-70% of people will eventually get the Coronavirus, it's important to keep in mind what that statistic actually means:

But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic,” he said. As with influenza, which is often life-threatening to people with chronic health conditions and of older age, most cases pass without medical care.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...accine/607000/

NPR has a reasoned synopsis on the role of weather with spreading viruses, and what that might mean for the Coronavirus. We simply don't know whether warmer weather will help mitigate transmission, but it sounds like there is reason for cautious optimism it will do so:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...warmer-weather

Finally, a recent article from the New England Journal of Medicine on what we know and what we don't know:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...02387?query=RP

A couple interesting takeaways:

The median age of the patients was 59 years, with higher morbidity and mortality among the elderly and among those with coexisting conditions (similar to the situation with influenza); 56% of the patients were male. Of note, there were no cases in children younger than 15 years of age. Either children are less likely to become infected, which would have important epidemiologic implications, or their symptoms were so mild that their infection escaped detection, which has implications for the size of the denominator of total community infections.

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.

Also this one don't forget