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08-24-2022 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
I've listened to him on JP's podcast, seen a bunch of clips and briefly scrolled through his campaign site. But why should diehard conservatives be very wary? I see this line often on Reddit etc. But never really see any specific reason why.
If I was a Harper era conservative, the type that was interested in in image (mirage?) of fiscal prudence and financial conservativism while keeping divisive social issues to a minimum, then you are likely upset that Poilievre focuses on american-style populism. If you are more a red tory type, that thinks conservatives should do stuff like have a moderate conservative approach to tackling issues like climate change, again Poilievre shouldn't be your guy. Poilievre is great for attracting back the PPC types though.

Take the breakfast dinner clip. It talks a lot about inflation. But as everyone sensible (take the Harper era technocrat for instance) knows, inflation is largely multifaceted and dealing with it is a complex challenge. But what we get is a five minute lecture as if it was a "for Dummies" book that pretends the single and only reason for inflation is justin trudeau being a bad guy. Lozen probably laps that up, but it is a charade.
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08-24-2022 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
If I was a Harper era conservative, the type that was interested in in image (mirage?) of fiscal prudence and financial conservativism while keeping divisive social issues to a minimum, then you are likely upset that Poilievre focuses on american-style populism. If you are more a red tory type, that thinks conservatives should do stuff like have a moderate conservative approach to tackling issues like climate change, again Poilievre shouldn't be your guy. Poilievre is great for attracting back the PPC types though.

Take the breakfast dinner clip. It talks a lot about inflation. But as everyone sensible (take the Harper era technocrat for instance) knows, inflation is largely multifaceted and dealing with it is a complex challenge. But what we get is a five minute lecture as if it was a "for Dummies" book that pretends the single and only reason for inflation is justin trudeau being a bad guy. Lozen probably laps that up, but it is a charade.

Actually no I do not lap that up. You keep ignoring facts . I voted for Jean(first time I bought a membership) my second choice was Lewis and Pierre was my third and have been clear I will vote for any PC Candidate even Harper if he returns to rid us of Trudeau.

Of course inflation is not fully Justin's responsibility but he like Biden he infused a ton of cash into the system because of Covid that was not needed or taken fraudently and backed the Russian boycott. Both are large contributing factors to inflation. I for one thought the Russian Boycott had to be done but unlike our politicians realize it was a mistake not factoring in that China, India and other countries would buy Russia's natural resources at a discount

Pierre needs to talk about all of Justin's broken promises, Call him out for all his climate phonyness, call him out that he fires women that disagree with him publicly yet keeps men that do it.
Clean Drinking water, F35's, Sexual assault in the military, ethics violations, his sexual assault , Why was he fired from his teaching job. Ask him if he will release all individuals from non disclosure agreements against him, WE , Cardboard drinking bottles

Call out Jagmeet for selling his soul to Justin and getting nothing

Justin promised clean Hydrogen to Germany will be shipped in 2025 . No way that plant is ready. Call him out why were not shipping our natural gas ? His lame policy on cutting back on fertlizer and importing more food




Though I thought his breakfast thing was fine but I would have never seen it unless Shift shared it
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08-24-2022 , 03:02 PM
Missed opportunity for Mr Climate Phony


https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...19133a46e4a348
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08-24-2022 , 03:44 PM
Seized opportunity for Mr Climate Action


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...p-nl-1.6559787
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08-24-2022 , 04:40 PM



Well on the bright side all those unemployed farmers and oil workers can build and install solar panels
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08-24-2022 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen



Well on the bright side all those unemployed farmers and oil workers can build and install solar panels
i though we had a problem of missing workers , not employments ?
lowest unemployment rate since around 1975 ?

if people cant find a job today it might because the problem is the person not the economic condition....

ps: maybe he was speaking for germany but in Canada we have no risk of suffering lack of energy security.

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08-26-2022 , 09:38 AM
Local Story City commissions artist for two sculptures one will be on each side of a bridge.

City scraps them as they may be offensive

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/city-wil...ures-1.6041151

I am not sure how a bison is offensive
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08-26-2022 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
If I was a Harper era conservative, the type that was interested in in image (mirage?) of fiscal prudence and financial conservativism while keeping divisive social issues to a minimum, then you are likely upset that Poilievre focuses on american-style populism. If you are more a red tory type, that thinks conservatives should do stuff like have a moderate conservative approach to tackling issues like climate change, again Poilievre shouldn't be your guy. Poilievre is great for attracting back the PPC types though.
That describes the 2 previous Conservative leaders and they lost 2 winnable elections. I don't know if he's "attracting back PPC types" but he's certainly in favor of smaller government which a lot of those "types' are in favor of.

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Originally Posted by uke_master
Take the breakfast dinner clip. It talks a lot about inflation. But as everyone sensible (take the Harper era technocrat for instance) knows, inflation is largely multifaceted and dealing with it is a complex challenge. But what we get is a five minute lecture as if it was a "for Dummies" book that pretends the single and only reason for inflation is justin trudeau being a bad guy. Lozen probably laps that up, but it is a charade.
That's literally what talented politicians do, they simplify complex issues to keep voters attention, it's political campaigning 101. Just because you don't like the message or it attacks your guy doesn't mean it isn't effective. You think climate change isn't a complex challenge? That a Canadian carbon tax is going to have any effect of something as complex as the global climate.
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08-26-2022 , 11:46 AM
Been looking up a table of CPP contribution values. One of the easier things to forget but a surprisingly big deal was in Trudeau's first term he brokered an agreement with all provinces for the CPP enhancement, which broadly speaking means rates are going up for a few years, and then the drumbeat of maximum pensionable earnings incrfeases until the 2060s. Table here:https://www.planeasy.ca/the-cpp-max-...in-the-future/

These few years you might feel the pinch more than normal because the rate goes up ~1% over 5 years (its at 5.7% now) in addition to the increased earnings threshold so sort of a double whammy. 3500 maximum for employeed this year. However, we will get a much more robust pension now so good with the bad.
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08-26-2022 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
That describes the 2 previous Conservative leaders and they lost 2 winnable elections. I don't know if he's "attracting back PPC types" but he's certainly in favor of smaller government which a lot of those "types' are in favor of.
True. I think he is more electable than the previous two. I just also think he is doing it with rhetoric and policy that is worse for Canada.


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Originally Posted by Shifty86
TThat's literally what talented politicians do, they simplify complex issues to keep voters attention, it's political campaigning 101. Just because you don't like the message or it attacks your guy doesn't mean it isn't effective. You think climate change isn't a complex challenge? That a Canadian carbon tax is going to have any effect of something as complex as the global climate.
For me the distinction isn't that he takes a complex topic and distills it down in an understandable way, it's that he takes a complex topic and pretends it is a simple one with a simple fix: just hate Trudeau and vote Poilievre. And I think the same thing on climate change if someone suggests the carbon tax is the one and only one thing anyone needs to ever do, as opposed to one important plank on a larger complicated issue. It is the pretense of simplicity that frustrates me with the breakfast ad.
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08-31-2022 , 02:36 AM
Kenney taking credit of great management for alberta surplus
Thx Russia was not in his discourse .

Inflation awfully bad by many voices but yet debts will go down fast .
I must congratulate kenney tho to put 3 billions in the heritage funds …(copying Norway?)
Seems is becoming a socialist ?
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09-06-2022 , 08:35 AM
Was having this discussion with a friend who just left Ontario for Nashville after 40+ years here:

Seems to me like Canada's best days are in the rearview. Maybe this is a global phenom and we're all just experiencing COVID + war in Europe + lol central banks + destruction of middle class + polarization of politics + climate change. Maybe.

Or maybe we've finally mismanaged the country into what it is now. And I get that that can be mostly at a provincial/municipal level too.

I dunno, I have very little hope for Ontario moving forward. The upside we used to rely on were:

-Safe
-Affordable
-Great outdoors opportunities
-Medical system was *ok*

I've seen deterioration in all those 4. I'm genuinely jealous of his move to Nashville, and I know that place has issues too. I'm just glad we didn't have kids. This seems like it's going
to be a tough era in the country for young people.
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09-06-2022 , 10:04 AM
Affordability is certainly a big issue, particularly housing affordability, but kinda meh on your other points. Crime rate has trended down over the decades (slight uptick during pandemic, but still much lower than before). Last I checked the lakes and mountains hadn't moved anywhere, but Ontario always was **** compared to BC so whatever. And the medical system, ah the medical system, it is hard to say because there are so many measures, but broadly speaking I would say this is mostly static (example life expectancy creeped up over the decades, pretty static last five years).

Long term and from a high viewpoint (i.e. higher than which party is in power and doing which little changes around the margins) I think Canada is well positioned, particularly when it comes to climate change being up north is good, and with increased resource stresses we have lots of resources. The data doesn't suggest we will be close to the fasting growing major economy, but I think we're going to be just trucking along more or less fine.
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09-06-2022 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Was having this discussion with a friend who just left Ontario for Nashville after 40+ years here:

Seems to me like Canada's best days are in the rearview. Maybe this is a global phenom and we're all just experiencing COVID + war in Europe + lol central banks + destruction of middle class + polarization of politics + climate change. Maybe.

Or maybe we've finally mismanaged the country into what it is now. And I get that that can be mostly at a provincial/municipal level too.

I dunno, I have very little hope for Ontario moving forward. The upside we used to rely on were:

-Safe
-Affordable
-Great outdoors opportunities
-Medical system was *ok*

I've seen deterioration in all those 4. I'm genuinely jealous of his move to Nashville, and I know that place has issues too. I'm just glad we didn't have kids. This seems like it's going
to be a tough era in the country for young people.
Agree with all of this.

A tough era for the weakest young people this Country has ever seen as well. Canada is right ****ed in the next few years mark my words.
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09-06-2022 , 08:02 PM
I think some here are overreaching about Canada problems .
I look In Europe , US, Japan, china and Russia and I feel pretty good in Canada , shrug .
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09-06-2022 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Affordability is certainly a big issue, particularly housing affordability, but kinda meh on your other points. Crime rate has trended down over the decades (slight uptick during pandemic, but still much lower than before). Last I checked the lakes and mountains hadn't moved anywhere, but Ontario always was **** compared to BC so whatever. And the medical system, ah the medical system, it is hard to say because there are so many measures, but broadly speaking I would say this is mostly static (example life expectancy creeped up over the decades, pretty static last five years).

Long term and from a high viewpoint (i.e. higher than which party is in power and doing which little changes around the margins) I think Canada is well positioned, particularly when it comes to climate change being up north is good, and with increased resource stresses we have lots of resources. The data doesn't suggest we will be close to the fasting growing major economy, but I think we're going to be just trucking along more or less fine.
I figured people would object to those few points, so I'll add:

Here in capital it's crazy how behind we are on maintaining the green spaces near the city. Stuff is in TERRIBLE shape, as are many of the roads around them. A lot of our favorite trails we can't even walk anymore. Storms destroyed them and we never fixed them.

Next, try even renting a cottage to go enjoy a lake. It's INSANE. That's become an activity reserved for the rich. It used to be very accessible to the middle class Canadian.

I also can't even begin to tell you the impact that drugs have had on safety in the city. There are large chunks of the city now that even as a man I wouldn't walk alone after the sun is down. That's unheard of here. We just never saw that. I'm willing to completely omit the gun violence issue since I think largely it's not that big a deal.
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09-06-2022 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
I think some here are overreaching about Canada problems .
I look In Europe , US, Japan, china and Russia and I feel pretty good in Canada , shrug .
I mean Africans have also had it worse the whole time I've been alive. All I can point to is the concept of human progress, and how in this case clearly we're going backwards. Noticeably.

Our best days are behind us. The conversation revolves around if that can be fixed (I say it probably cannot and it's going to get worse).
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09-07-2022 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I mean Africans have also had it worse the whole time I've been alive. All I can point to is the concept of human progress, and how in this case clearly we're going backwards. Noticeably.

Our best days are behind us. The conversation revolves around if that can be fixed (I say it probably cannot and it's going to get worse).
If people can rebuild after ww2 , surely Canada can rebuild after covid and bad politics for the last 20 years -> city, province , country level.

It’s just a noticeable bump on the road to me .

I guess it’s the eye of the beholder situation .

I can see the country getting far worst from here do I guess it shouldn’t that bad ?
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09-07-2022 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Was having this discussion with a friend who just left Ontario for Nashville after 40+ years here:

Seems to me like Canada's best days are in the rearview. Maybe this is a global phenom and we're all just experiencing COVID + war in Europe + lol central banks + destruction of middle class + polarization of politics + climate change. Maybe.

Or maybe we've finally mismanaged the country into what it is now. And I get that that can be mostly at a provincial/municipal level too.

I dunno, I have very little hope for Ontario moving forward. The upside we used to rely on were:

-Safe
-Affordable
-Great outdoors opportunities
-Medical system was *ok*

I've seen deterioration in all those 4. I'm genuinely jealous of his move to Nashville, and I know that place has issues too. I'm just glad we didn't have kids. This seems like it's going
to be a tough era in the country for young people.

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I figured people would object to those few points, so I'll add:

Here in capital it's crazy how behind we are on maintaining the green spaces near the city. Stuff is in TERRIBLE shape, as are many of the roads around them. A lot of our favorite trails we can't even walk anymore. Storms destroyed them and we never fixed them.

Next, try even renting a cottage to go enjoy a lake. It's INSANE. That's become an activity reserved for the rich. It used to be very accessible to the middle class Canadian.

I also can't even begin to tell you the impact that drugs have had on safety in the city. There are large chunks of the city now that even as a man I wouldn't walk alone after the sun is down. That's unheard of here. We just never saw that. I'm willing to completely omit the gun violence issue since I think largely it's not that big a deal.

Yeah I would agree with you.

As for Safety in the last few years I have had a knife pulled on me at a liquor store and walking back to my car after an oilers game my buddy and I thought we were going to get mugged. We were both big guys so maybe they thought twice.

Most of this crime is due to Opiods and addiction in my opinion and our current governments soft stance on crime and the lack of resources to prosecute and the defund the police movement which occurred here as well



Affordability I do not know how young folks can even dream of affording a house without help from their parents. The problem is as mortgage rates are set to rise again today and add in the 2% stress test less people will be buying and that drives up rents, add in food and gas .....

As for the great outdoors lots of opportunities to camp I cant comment on the Ontario lake scene

As for our medical system it is in total failure and collapse. The current system just is not viable add in Opioid addiction again.... I think the only solution is a private/public one like countries like England and Australia and others run

Our biggest threat is the total attack on our agriculture and resource sector by the federal government in the last 7 years

On a side note I hope our Prime Minister announces a total ban on Knives after the horrific tragedy in Saskatchewan.
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09-07-2022 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
If people can rebuild after ww2 , surely Canada can rebuild after covid and bad politics for the last 20 years -> city, province , country level.

It’s just a noticeable bump on the road to me .

I guess it’s the eye of the beholder situation .

I can see the country getting far worst from here do I guess it shouldn’t that bad ?
I don't think you can compare the circumstances. One is due to decades of being totally unable to think strategically. The Germans are looking at a similar issue, different sort of impact.

With climate change we're now obsessed with preserving green everything. We have nobody really willing to build things (like a new major city somewhere in the country). So we can't handle what it takes to build enough homes for all the people moving here (to make up for the aging population).

The age of social media, attention deficit, and obesity isn't going to pump out young people who want to build things, or be in the army for that matter (so let's really hope we don't into some **** there).

We're talking DECADES to fix the health care system, if we started now. And I see no leader able to step up to the plate there.

I see no cure for affordability, only a worsening crisis year over year.

I would bet un Ukraine rebuilding well before we sort out any of what I just listed.
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09-07-2022 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I don't think you can compare the circumstances. One is due to decades of being totally unable to think strategically. The Germans are looking at a similar issue, different sort of impact.

With climate change we're now obsessed with preserving green everything. We have nobody really willing to build things (like a new major city somewhere in the country). So we can't handle what it takes to build enough homes for all the people moving here (to make up for the aging population).

The age of social media, attention deficit, and obesity isn't going to pump out young people who want to build things, or be in the army for that matter (so let's really hope we don't into some **** there).

We're talking DECADES to fix the health care system, if we started now. And I see no leader able to step up to the plate there.

I see no cure for affordability, only a worsening crisis year over year.

I would bet un Ukraine rebuilding well before we sort out any of what I just listed.
Add in the Deficit. Justin has racked up more debt than all the PM's before him and no sign of him stopping. Sadly his credit card has no limit
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09-07-2022 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
I'm just glad we didn't have kids. This seems like it's going
to be a tough era in the country for young people.
No offence because I don't know the reason you didn't have kids. But as you get older without children you become more and more bitter, resentful and pessimistic. You look at reality with a negative lens because you lack anything really meaningful and are just going to die alone without being surrounded by kids/grandkids etc. that keep you young.

That said it's infuriating the missed opportunity for our country not being able to supply the world with oil and gas right now because of terrible policies based on dogma. It's inexcusable and any human with a shred of humility would resign as primeminister over it. But I also don't think it's all doom and gloom, outside of a once in a 100 year pandemic there has never been a better time to be alive throughout humanity.
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09-07-2022 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
No offence because I don't know the reason you didn't have kids. But as you get older without children you become more and more bitter, resentful and pessimistic. You look at reality with a negative lens because you lack anything really meaningful and are just going to die alone without being surrounded by kids/grandkids etc. that keep you young.

That said it's infuriating the missed opportunity for our country not being able to supply the world with oil and gas right now because of terrible policies based on dogma. It's inexcusable and any human with a shred of humility would resign as primeminister over it. But I also don't think it's all doom and gloom, outside of a once in a 100 year pandemic there has never been a better time to be alive throughout humanity.

Hey I dont have kids and I would say that is one of my biggest regrets other than the 4 legged type. Also trust me there are many seniors dying alone after they get parked in seniors care by their kids but your not wrong


You are 100% right on the blown opportunities with oil and gas but some of that blame must also be put on provincial governments that did not create the refining capacity when they should have

Canada could be a world leader on energy but along came....
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09-07-2022 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
No offence because I don't know the reason you didn't have kids. But as you get older without children you become more and more bitter, resentful and pessimistic. You look at reality with a negative lens because you lack anything really meaningful and are just going to die alone without being surrounded by kids/grandkids etc. that keep you young.

That said it's infuriating the missed opportunity for our country not being able to supply the world with oil and gas right now because of terrible policies based on dogma. It's inexcusable and any human with a shred of humility would resign as primeminister over it. But I also don't think it's all doom and gloom, outside of a once in a 100 year pandemic there has never been a better time to be alive throughout humanity.
Very good post. I just very much see a storm coming because I think that Dogma is stronger that you may realize. 75% of the Country sees through it but only 10% are willing to publicly admit it and that's NOW. Kids are indoctrinated daily. It's going to be a problem.
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09-07-2022 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
No offence because I don't know the reason you didn't have kids. But as you get older without children you become more and more bitter, resentful and pessimistic. You look at reality with a negative lens because you lack anything really meaningful and are just going to die alone without being surrounded by kids/grandkids etc. that keep you young.

That said it's infuriating the missed opportunity for our country not being able to supply the world with oil and gas right now because of terrible policies based on dogma. It's inexcusable and any human with a shred of humility would resign as primeminister over it. But I also don't think it's all doom and gloom, outside of a once in a 100 year pandemic there has never been a better time to be alive throughout humanity.
Lol the notion of a life with children being the only life with meaning is pretty wow. I'm already in my late 40's, I have a pretty good idea what I'm getting into. I can send you a really good Sam Harris podcast explaining that the opposite was proven, scientifically, to your claim. People without children are statistically happier, and it's been verified. That said I didn't come here to have this particular debate.

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