Thanks for stopping by this thread, so good to have you!

Maintaining the healthcare system is great, everyone obviously wants that, but it isn't the only goal. If we can have less covid deaths from less cases this is good even if the other option is still within the healthcare systems capabilities. We have the ability based on our cultural practices and legal policies to change the dial on covid cases. We can't shut it off completely, that is impossible as you suggest. And we likely wouldn't want to right now because of economic and social consequences. But we do have choices about just where to dial in this current phase of significant and appropriate reopening while maintaining a bit of caution to keep cases a little lower.

It is appearing to make a fairly large macro difference. People just react differently to a "recommendation" vs a legal "requirement". For example, I was on BC ferries this weekend and shockingly perhaps 10% of people were wearing masks now that the announcements are that this is a recommendation. When it was a requirement, effectively everyone did (and ferry workers I believe would speak to you if you didn't). Basically, when a lot of people make the same "micro" decision, it has big "macro" effects.

Decision to mix vaccines could cause travel difficulties for millions of Canadians

Canada’s move to mix COVID-19 vaccines as part of a strategy to quickly immunize as much of the population as possible could present travel challenges to millions of people who received different doses.

While research has shown that mixing a viral vector vaccine, such as AstraZeneca, followed by an mRNA vaccine, such as Pfizer, produces a significant immune response, some countries, including many in the European Union, don’t recognize certain vaccines and vaccine combinations.

That means that those with mixed doses may not be considered fully vaccinated and could require additional COVID-19 safety measures such as testing and quarantining. Cruise lines can also deny boarding to passengers...

Shot #3 will be the winter booster and your passport to a world of travel: win win.

Probably

Any buy Pfizer stock and you will be good. Science will catch up and many countries will amend the requirements

Our border should now have a rule no vaccine no getting in

Kenney says it was Dr Hinsahw that drafted Alberta's new rules

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ders-1.6123883

It’s kind of funny tho , so many conservatives in Canada or republicans in the US go full blown on being anti vaccine , even tho risking other peoples life’s -> my body = my choice but still aren’t supporting woman right to choose -> my body = my choice for abortion .

Meh , not the first time we see massive disconnect on logic for those groups ….

Lol Hinshaw has written a column basically trying to say everyone was mad because she communicated the plan poorly (which she did) but nope, people are mad because the plan seems reckless!

https://globalnews.ca/news/8085772/a...easures-op-ed/

So you originally you blamed Kenney for the policy I do believe. As well you always say trust the science and the doctors until it doesn't fit your agenda now you are attacking Dr Hinshaw.

I may not agree with Hinshaw but she makes many valid points. Remember nobody is banning masks or not allowing cities or businesses to set their own mandates

I made no claim ITT about whether Kenney or Hinshaw was responsible for the policy. My view is that it is reckless regardless of who proposed it. Hinshaw has been by a large mile the worst of the major PHOs, and Kenney the worst of the Premiers, and I don't really care who is responsible for exactly which split of being terrible. For the record, I'm also critical - albeit less so - of BC's PHO.

This is Uke, how dare people not wear masks on a ferry!

Without a doubt I feel there are many amongst the extreme left who are happy to weaponize and push measures to both virtue signal and 'rustle the right' similar to how I feel many on the far right are refusing many common sense measures and even vaccines in large part because they know that rustles many on the left.

I am not equating these as one is killing people and the other is not. Just pointing out that some cannot help buy try to take advantage of the politics here.

"We’re used to virtue signalling from leftist hypocrites."

A lot can be said by the religious right wing about virtue huh...

statement like bernier means nothing

Extreme Left -Uke?
Extreme Right Shifty?

Bottom line is if you are fully vaccinated you are currently safe
If your not good luck

Trudeau:

Obligating certain government workers for vaccinations but being against the law 21 in Quebec for religious neutrality, for certain workers as well .

Now the interesting question .
What will he do vs those that invoque religious reasons not to take the vaccine ?
Is the concept of liberty of consciousness not important anymore ?
God is a temporary valid reason when it fits electoral votes ?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...ries-1.6130766

Trudeau asks top public servant to look into mandatory vaccination for federal workers

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He's only a few months behind this thread. Can't wait to see what the recommendations from the panel and subsequent committees will be in the new year. Milquetoast!

Pretty sure he can thread the needle of demanding vaccination and not being against Bill 21.

Firstly, lol at the idea that I would be "extreme left".

Secondly, "virtue signalling" has to be one of the silliest and most misused phrases of the right's sort of anti-woke culture war. I think masks should be worn inside on ferries because cases of the delta variant are rising swiftly. My view here is purely one of my sense of the scientific information and the risks and rewards involved. To paint that as "virtue signaling" is ridiculous. How exactly do you distinguish between someone who just genuinely thinks that wearing masks on ferries is a reasonable precaution in a pandemic, and someone who is wearing a mask just to "virtue signal"?

It reminds me a bit of people who criticize people that donate money to causes as saying you are only doing it selfishly because you feel good to donate or whatever. Ok? Who cares. I don't really know how you know whether I'm donating because I genuinely care about the cause or because I'm trying to signal how amazing of a person I am, but does it even really matter? If someone acts virtuously, that is great, and maybe stop trying to second guess their motivations.

I can’t wait for the show .
Liberty of consciousness seem pretty strong in Canada when god is invoke .
Regardless for the bill 31, medical issues or w.e else .

Justin Gives Quebec 6 billion $ deal for childcare . Though rejected Alberta for a similar deal
Just not enough votes in Alberta

https://globalnews.ca/news/8088009/t...-announcement/

And you should have that right to wear your mask. Though if your fully vaccinated and wear a mask why must I someone whom is fully vaccinated wear one?

I am not sure what giving to charities has to do with the overall conversation. I always believe giving cash is great but giving your time can be just as valuable to many charities.

You're welcome.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-N...ince-2008.html

You mean thx to Russia and south Arabia to not increase their production yet ?

I haven't checked Alberta's numbers in a little bit, but BCs have been doubling very 7-10 days. We are now 10x the case count from only a few weeks ago. Which is to say, the pandemic is very much alive and well, which is the basis for my belief that we should all be wearing masks in indoor public settings. I'm not even necessarily claiming it should be mandated, I think culturally we should take the responsibility to actually follow what are now recommendations as opposed to requirements.

As for being vaccinated, of course this helps. It cuts a large majority - but not all - injections. You can still have covid with being vaccinated. You can still be passing it on to other vaccinated or unvaccinated people in the public, further perpetuating the pandemic.