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11-17-2021 , 04:59 PM

#951

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds

Admitting you're being coerced to return a certain verdict seems like another grounds for a mistrial.

But odds are a not guilty verdict based on self defense is warranted so she won't get a beating over that one.

Potential jurors during voir dire (jury selection). Obviously she was struck for cause.

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11-17-2021 , 05:00 PM

#952

the pleasure

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Originally Posted by Cuepee

That is a great description IMO. OP imo, shares a lot with the California Dems who intellectually want to see the Homeless, downtrodden do well but will vote against any measure that would change the tax structure or see any change in his backyard thus maintaining the status quo he is vey comfortable with.

Actually I think the 3rd Way Dem exemplar is probably Rococo.

That is near how I would have described myself a few years back but as the Canadian version I also support more of a safety net. When I lived in Alberta they jokingly, but not so jokingly would tell me I should live in British Columbia with all the other Granola (Nuts, Fruits, & Flakes). When I lived in Toronto I would often get that I would be better in the US as a Republican.

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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds

I'm not even a wanna be. I believe in capitalism as regulated by a democratically governed people.

I always quip, the Founding Fathers didn't much like corporations. All this focus on separation of church and state and no one ever mentions that small fact.

OP is what we call a third way democrat. Which is pretty much a republican who likes abortion and gays.

I don't think im a republican or really a democrat, I see myself every 2-4 years flip flopping for either party depending on candidate views.

I will say both parties do have 1 or 2 good "visions" about them tho. If we could take the good philosophy of some democrats and the good philosophy of some republicans, we would have a GOAT candidate.

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11-17-2021 , 05:04 PM

#953

the pleasure

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idk about past big time trials like OJ or whatever big trials there were in the past but sucks that in a trial such as these, if you believe hes not guilty you're a evil republican and if you think hes guilty your a wacky left. no in between

I would do whatever the hell I could to not be a juror in a trial such as this

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11-17-2021 , 05:39 PM

#954

ChiddyBang

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Hocus pocus out of focus!

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11-17-2021 , 06:06 PM

#955

RFlushDiamonds

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Potential jurors during voir dire (jury selection). Obviously she was struck for cause.

Better than being struck for returning the wrong verdict I guess.

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11-17-2021 , 06:07 PM

#956

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds

Better than being struck for returning the wrong verdict I guess.

LOL. Post of the thread.

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11-17-2021 , 06:08 PM

#957

Rococo

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Originally Posted by the pleasure

To my considerable shock, the divide you describe has not been especially evident in this thread.

Posters across the political spectrum seemed to have congregated around the view that (i) Rittenhouse's conduct was reckless and reprehensible; and (ii) despite his moral culpability, Rittenhouse may have a winning legal argument on self-defense.

There are exceptions, but what I described above definitely seems like the majority view in this thread.

Last edited by Rococo; 11-17-2021 at 06:35 PM.

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11-17-2021 , 06:09 PM

#958

Rococo

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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds

Better than being struck for returning the wrong verdict I guess.

RFlush has been taking his vitamins lately. He's doing some good work.

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11-17-2021 , 06:16 PM

#959

lagtight

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Originally Posted by Rococo

To my considerable shock, the divide you describe has not been especially evident in this spread.

Posters across the political spectrum seemed to have congregated around the view that (i) Rittenhouse's conduct was reckless and reprehensible; and (ii) despite his moral culpability, Rittenhouse may have a winning legal argument on self-defense.

There are exceptions, but what I described above definitely seems like the majority view in this thread.

+1

I think ChiddyBang is the only poster in this thread looking forward to Kyle getting his own weekly show on FoxNation.

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11-17-2021 , 06:19 PM

#960

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by lagtight

+1

I think ChiddyBang is the only poster in this thread looking forward to Kyle getting his own weekly show on FoxNation.

TittyBang and that microstakes PLO coach fella who thinks all taxation is theft.

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11-17-2021 , 06:51 PM

#961

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Rococo

While perhaps an interesting academic exercise, trying to guess how the Founding Fathers would have viewed the modern world strikes me as (i) fraught with error; and (ii) a poor way to set policy.

and why a consistution is a very bad idea if it doesn't have a very effective way to be updated.

Watching people argue about the fine points of gun legality in this case is just mind-boggling. No-one has even mentioned whether one of them had desirable oxen.

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11-17-2021 , 07:46 PM

#962

washoe

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This kid better never touch a gun again.

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11-17-2021 , 08:33 PM

#963

lagtight

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

TittyBang and that microstakes PLO coach fella who thinks all taxation is theft.

I forgot about PLO guy.

I have a great memory; it's just too short.

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11-17-2021 , 08:35 PM

#964

Victor

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Originally Posted by lagtight

+1

I think ChiddyBang is the only poster in this thread looking forward to Kyle getting his own weekly show on FoxNation.

Howard tho

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11-17-2021 , 08:40 PM

#965

lagtight

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Originally Posted by Victor

Howard tho

Howard probably too tight to pay for FoxNation.

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11-17-2021 , 09:18 PM

#966

Howard Treesong

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Originally Posted by Rococo

This is the right view.

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11-17-2021 , 09:22 PM

#967

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Originally Posted by washoe

This kid better never touch a gun again.

With all the angry Antifa people and other libs out to get him, now he'll actually have a need for one to defend himself.

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11-17-2021 , 09:43 PM

#968

lagtight

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Originally Posted by campfirewest

With all the angry Antifa people and other libs out to get him, now he'll actually have a need for one to defend himself.

Kyle has a 2:0 Kill Ratio. Antifa will avoid him at all costs.

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11-17-2021 , 10:52 PM

#969

formula72

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Originally Posted by washoe

This kid better never touch a gun again.

You're better at trading crypto currencies.

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11-17-2021 , 11:00 PM

#970

the pleasure

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Originally Posted by Rococo

im not even saying 2p2 or twitter, I just think the majority consensus which is sad.

I could be wrong tho and hope I am. I dont know what twitter is saying but I dont care and assume its going ot be hard one way or the other.

How much longer do you guys think the jury needs? how long would you need for this case personally if you were with them?

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11-17-2021 , 11:03 PM

#971

DonkJr

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At this point I am thinking that there is a high chance of a hung jury. Very unusual for a jury to take this long IMO.

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11-17-2021 , 11:33 PM

#972

lagtight

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Originally Posted by DonkJr

At this point I am thinking that there is a high chance of a hung jury. Very unusual for a jury to take this long IMO.

+1

I suspect that there is exactly one juror still undecided.

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11-17-2021 , 11:42 PM

#973

spaceman Bryce

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My hunch is the it was self defense crowd outnumbers the it was murder crowd and they are debating exactly what self defense is.

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11-17-2021 , 11:52 PM

#974

spaceman Bryce

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The reckless endangerment charge that carries up to 12 years is different from the other charges in that self- defense does not apply. I could see him being charged with that and end up being billed 25k and serving 3 years or so in prison.