A poll offering the following choices

- Guilty on all counts
- Guilty on some lesser counts but escapes most serious charges
- Not guilty on all charges

I think would have seen pretty much everyone vote on Option 2 outside some of the more 'right' posters.

The verdict is in again

usa: guilty

This trial is a very teachable moment for democrats that you can't string up a kid for a very long time because Orange man bad or hE crOsSeD STATE LyNeZ. Life is not an episode of the west wing.

At work: just wanted to say, there is no better feeling than winning a trial.

Refer to jay z song not guilty

I put a bet on not guilty last September after watching videos carefully. Specifically, my opponent would win if KR were convicted on one first-degree charge plus one other; anything less and I win. I thought he'd prevail on the self-defense claim, with the key question there being Rosenbaum. Just my two cents, obv.

I wonder if Schroeder would have mistried it if the jury came back guilty. The prosecution pulled some sleazy moves in this one.

Also: The defendants in Arbery should go down for life, with the possible exception of the guy that was taking video. He should do 20+.

Winning a trial is a nice feeling, especially if the jury has been out for a while. Tension builds. In my case, I can't concentrate on anything else at all while waiting for a verdict, and my mind constantly replays arguments I could have made better, questions I should have asked, etc. etc. etc.

I didn't see any videos. My prediction would be on bold speculation without any additional research.

Arbery defendents deserve everything they're going to get.

Did he do the I'm not the father dance?

its not fair to label all democrats at all, i think you're in the very wrong for saying this.

however, if you had a later join date, this post would speak volumes and really prolly personally attack some people right in the soft spot. especially on twitter

We are all entitled to use generalities 🙃

He was guilty of manslaughter. I'm more disappointed in prosecutor and judge.

Even if anyone hates to say it. take away the labelling. The core of what he said is absolutely correct at the end of the day.

The Proud Boys are a harmless group of lame cheerleaders that was led by an FBI informant. Protestors are harmed much more frequently and severely by the actual spearpoint of American fascism and authoritarianism: the police.

On what can be very broadly called, "the left", only the centrist, lib, Democrat types care very much about ol' Rittenhouse. Those of us further to the progressive/socialist/tankie side don't really give a ****. That's one reason why we're only gonna see a small fraction of the rioting compared to George Floyd or Trayvon Martin; where we ALL cared. I know this is like the third time I've made this point ITT, but I have to push back a bit as this thread and others are just so inundated with gross comments (and deeply unfunny and stale memes like that one from Star Wars) from reactionary psychos like campfirewest in which they make it obvious just how excited they get dreaming of mass riots where some lib skulls can get cracked.

No, but he did the fake crying face that he got ripped on for when he was on the stand.

When you're a stone cold killer, it's easy to feign emotion. Life in prison? Pfft, he could've handled that every day of the week and twice on Tuesdays.

He was just spotted at a Cabela's stocking up on ammo.

I hear you. The trouble with that argument is that self-defense bars it if a jury finds KR acted in self-defense.

I hope he didn't buy all of the ammo and left some for other people.

A few more thoughts on Binger and his strategy. Binger identified Jump Kick Man but refused to grant him immunity and never told the defense he'd been identified. Similarly, Binger charged Zimmerman (who fired the first shots that didn't hit anyone) with arson, and he was thus able to avoid testifying by asserting his Fifth Amendment rights.

I would imagine that Binger could have charged Grosskreutz with something, given that his concealed-carry permit was expired and he chased down KR while pointing a gun at him. But he didn't charge Grosskreutz with anything, and instead centered his prosecution around his testimony. I thought Gage's testimony was self-serving and likely false, but that's obviously open to interpretation.

Binger looks very selective to me in terms of manipulating rules to make some testimony available and some not. That doesn't look like much of a search for truth to me; it actually looks fairly sleazy. Criminal lawyers here: is this sort of thing in the typical tactical playbook of prosecutors?

On these facts, even a highly competent prosecutor would have had a tough time getting a conviction on the intentional homicide charges.

This result is much more an indictment of U.S. gun culture than it is an indictment of the U.S. judicial system.

If Arbery's killers walk, there will be more outrage. There are a lot of reasons for that, but one of the main reasons is that Arbery's killers seem guilty as hell.

500 National Guard on standby

My aunt(mom's sister) is blind in 1 eye--when they were kids(like 5-7ish iirc) my uncle nailed her with a toy arrow slightly converted to a less than toy arrow.


Had my fair share of bb gun fights back in the day. Everyone would follow the rules/2pumps at least during--it was usually around the end when things would get a little looser--definitely knew a few kids with bbs in them. Still have a bb in the pit of my elbow from one of those days. I shot a bb prob ~15ft next to a friend's foot messing around/being an idiot and he raised his gun to retaliate. I dropped my gun and started running--bb nailed me right in the artery there. Blood was squirting out like crazy. I was just covered in blood--especially right where it started pumping out at my ribs and then all over my legs. I quickly covered it with my other hand--cursed him out and ran home. When I finally got there I ran in the house and my mom said wtf happened? Took my hand off and blood shot out like a fountain and she fainted Wasn't the first time Definitely some other zany ones in there--sometimes it seemed like the docs were working on her as much as me.

I think in any other civilized country Kyle would be sentenced to a few years in prison for being a total dumbass.

Not guilty!

The prosecutor was violating Kyle Rittenhouse rights with questioning him on his silence. The problem with the judge was he was extremely biased toward the defense throughout. Throwing out the gun charge was wrong.

Maybe in one of those shithole countries!

I agree with this.

But the prosecutor in Arbery's case did a very good job. That "should" be a slam dunk guilty verdict where the Kyle case was almost certain "non guilty" right after the prosecutor rested his case.