i may have to try some PLO now. the NL tables are so fishy since the 20-50 tables were axed...

When will pokerstars decision on changes to the rake in sngs be made?

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no cap games + less ratholing is awesome

Sweet

ty pokerstars

in before "zomg 4 ppl with 30 BBs at my 6-max-table, PS change that"


btw. i dont see a word that capped tables are removed in OP

I don't see any mention of CAP tables in the OP. Why do you guys think they're removing CAP?

Steve, you should clarify.

what happened to antes on all tables....is that a no go? I was really excited about antes on all omaha tables!!!! As someone that enjoys 20bb omaha and playing cap - these changes will be pretty good, ty.

They're trying to eliminate so many different games at each level seperating the player pool which is much needed in omaha.

After rereading, you're right there's really no mention....clarification would be nice, ty.

I was all excited that you were finally getting rid of the NLO8 pushfests.

Now I am giving up NLO8 for good.

Nice work, Steve.

(No, seriously, the other changes are awesome, and now my o8 lobby will be less cluttered.)

wait... so are the PLO CAP tables staying or going?

The original post just mentions the removal of 20bb-50bb tables. Please keep the CAP tables for those of us who prefer 20bb poker

The PLO CAP tables were deployed at $2/$4 and $0.25/$0.50 as a test. They will be removed on March 1st. After the change, old tables will close as they empty and no new tables will be created. All PLO CAP tables will be gone after the next server restart.

Any chance to have CAP PLO in the future? Maybe 30bb CAP?

My guess is that some/many people will play 30bb Poker on the new tables who played 20/50 or Cap before and therefor the games will not be as nice (from a 100bb point of view) as some might expect. Giving those people who want to play shorter another playground/option maybe only on some levels (like cap tables now) would help that situation I think.

When playing 30bb omaha you're going to either double up or go broke pretty quickly so with the increased rathole timer there won't be an infestation of shorties.

We will see.

The 20-50 tables had many 20bb player on it as far as I experienced so even wih the longer rathole timer I guess we will see 1-2 shorter players on some/many tables changing the dynamic of the game at least a little.

But maybe future will prove me wrong.

20BB CAP was terrible for PLO...thank you for taking it away. I'll be less tilted now

What exactly is bad about 20bb cap for plo?

I feel like the standard argument is that it isn't "real poker", or that plo is meant to be played deep, or even that cap tables take away the fish and break up the player pool too much. Another common statement I have seen is that 20bb players should "learn to adjust" to higher BB tables.

I could argue against each of these statements, but it seems futile now that stars has already made their decision. The cap tables always seemed lively and full of action, so I'm not sure I fully understand the decision to remove these games. I can understand removing the 20-50bb tables, but why remove the cap? Surely now players will continue to shortstack the 30-100bb tables which isn't what the higher BB players want. And clearly players who wish to play a shallow stack don't really want to play in an environment where their shortstacking will irritate fullstacking players.

Why not leave the 20bb cap tables open at least at 1 buy in level? What harm would that do?

Right now there are 12 $2/4 cap and 8 $2/4 40-250bb tables running, and 19 $.25/.50 cap and 24 $.25/.50 40-250bb tables running. They seem to be really popular with players, so why remove them to consolidate the player pool? The explanation given in the OP did not detail any specific reasons for the removal of the cap tables, other than "careful consideration of all information available"... ok so what specifically are the reasons for the change?

Thanks,
Adam

Those are the only 2 options for cap so your comparisons are really not fair since players from other levels of .10-.25 through 3-6 PLO will play one of those cap options if thats the game they wanted to play.

True, I didn't think about that. Nonetheless, what about then leaving 1 buy in level of CAP PLO open so players can play if they prefer? What is the harm in that? Say leave $1/2 cap tables as an option for players, but ditch the rest? That seems like a reasonable compromise, no?

Looks good. Anything that discourages shortstacking and rats in cash games is great.

+1 to making CAP PLO at one level: $1/$2



Signed,

A disgruntled former SNE chaser

better get those last few cap plo sessions in

TO: support@pokerstars.com

Screen name ih8money- vip status Supernova Elite- 6.5+ million hands played on Pokerstars Rake generated for Pokerstars has to be over half a million dollars!!! Anyways.....

So I make Supernova EliTe last year, I'm happy, and think Pokerstars is the best site to play at in terms of game availability and "rake back"/VIP program

Looking forward to an even bigger 2011, with more vpp's (rake for you guys/IF THAT MATTERS???) - not expecting or even wanting any changes to the vip program,i didnt need to be made better.

That "Big Announcement" which was posted and looked forward by so many other is here... http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...hanges-940915/
basically not a single change, for anyone that knows the vip program. - Not big deal, I didn't want any changes or expect any, and amnyone who thought the vip program was going to get better was ******ed

Then the new yars starts and chanegs wre made to the hyper 6 max sit in gos which I played at the end of last year, then the holdem now is capped, and finally I hear there will be no more 20-40 bb Omaha or not even the 2/4 Cap?????????? Plase claify this for me, removing the 2/4 CAP??? why not have Cap optional at all levels, if u look, there just as many 2/4 Cap as the 2-4 20-40 bb tables. That tells you that some of the players/ YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!!!!!!!!!! dol ike the 20 bb cap at Omaha- acually right as i send this e-mail there's 4 regular 2/4 omaha and 8 capped games hmmmmm someone did some resarch NOT!!!!!!!!

LINK- FOR UPCOMING CHANGES TO OMAHA - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...ch-1st-987474/


I believe I earned around 600k vpp's at he 20bb-40bb omaha and the 2/4 Cap games and now the cap will be gone? and Ill be risking more money per hand on the avilabkle PLO tables???? WOW Thanks for this heads up

There was no mention of game changes of any kind- not even for holdem , hyper sng's or omaha in December- instead you guys make your stupid dumbass announcement- which everyone was waiting for about the "vip Changes"- which wasnt NO CHANGES at all.

Really frustrated, knowing my primary game of omaha will be gone. - i was shooting for 2.5m vpp's this year and just like that you guys change my whole years plans. I guess is just the same feeling as when that bill in December was being pushed- it sucks to have somehing important be out of my controll!!!

SO ****ING STUPID TO HAVE A ****ING YEARLY VIP STATUS SUCH AS SUPERNOVA ELITE AND PULL SOME ******** CHANGE IN EVERY SINGLE FORM OF THE GAME- OH WAIT THERE HASNT BEEN A CHANGE TO LIMITHOLDEM- IM THINKING FOR LIMIT WHY DON'T U GUYS LIMIT HOW LONG YOU CAN PLAY AT THE SAME TABLE- ITS ******** TO SEE THE SAME GUY ON THE SAME TABLE FOR 10 STRAIGHT HOURS- THAT WOULD STAY ALIGNED WITH YOUR DUMBASS CHANGES WHICH I DON'T SEE BENEFITING POKERSTARS AT ALL


GOOD NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

u mad?