Talking of getting amusement: Mr. Pot, can I introduce you to Mr. Kettle?

If you and other squawkers see patterns you know are true just play in a way that exploits those patterns. In this case just keep getting it in bad often and win a ton. Let us know how that experiment goes. Hint, sharkscope Dex Bexter for all games on Stars, he does this all the time as well.


Want to know what the larger picture is. It is not complicated.

1) Play better than opponents
2) Play a lot


Where riggies often fall short is they believe they are doing 1) when they really are not (you are a classic example of this Donko from your posts, no genuine offense intended), and nearly all riggies never play a lot of volume, which is probably a good thing for them as the math would not work out in their favor if they did.


The games are tougher today than they used to be, but they are still quite beatable, and those that actually take the time to properly adapt to the games and follow the simple rules I mentioned above realize how easy it is to make some money in poker.

I (and certainly other coaches) could have easily made you a winning player online Donko with the right game selection and discipline just like I have for dozens of other players (including one who used to post in this thread just like you do now), and once a person transforms from a marginal player to a winning one his whole attitude about poker changes, because he starts to "get it," which has nothing to do with doomswitches or getting it in bad on purpose to win due to rigging.


Play better than opponents

Play lots


That's pretty much it. Those that do have no time for ultra complex multi level evil fatcat based conspiracies as to why they got bad beat for $5. They just shrug it off and start a new table.

Would that person be willing to share their story in this thread, Monty? Would be great advertising for you and a good positive role model for the riggies...

I might look like a shill to you but thats because you are a paranoid fool. As has been pointed out several times before, it wouldn't even matter if everyone who disagrees with you is a shill because their arguments are sound and yours a full of holes. Calling everyone a shill is simply a desperate attempt to deflect attention from this and gain support from others who refuse to accept (what appears based on all logic and evidence to be) the truth.

If you want to turn the discussion into "See! Look at all the shills! It must be rigged!" because you have nothing else to work with then good luck to you.

Here, I will take a stab at that:

It is all marketing.

1. What is the psychological profile of your customer?
2. What can they do for your site?
3. What does their deposit history look like?
4. What is their age group?
5. Ethnicity?
6. Sex?
7. How many tables does this person play?
8 How often and for how long do they play?
9. How much rake do they pay?

And if someone wants to do more research on a player:

10. Does this person have the image you want out there for your site?
11. Can you market this person if you help them be successful?
13. How can you exploit this to maximum benefit for your cause?

I can sit here and think of more, but the bottom line is that you want your favorite players doing well and supporting your site and your want your least favorite making more deposits. There can be a system of handicapping to do this in a way that is not blatant in its deployment. Anyone who is too old, too ugly, complains on the chat or to the staff gets lowered down on the list and anyone else is ranked higher based on their over all value to the organization.

You miss my point, you along with a few others are adding to the overall amount of circumstantial evidence. Showing up here to defend the sites with the kind of tactics you are using is suspicious. That is all. Carry on with your routine, it is slightly amusing...

Yup, arguing a case with logic and facts is always amusing to paranoid fools who understand the importance of neither.

Sigh...like you really know the first thing about me...

Why get so angry and resort to personal attacks? I imagine you to be a sad little man...

See, isnt this all just really pointless? Ok, I am done wasting my time here for now...goodbye...

Donko, you really are a clown.

And what sort of evidence are you providing Donko?

-You still fail to grasp the whole proving a negative fallacy.
-You have a conspiracy theory that is completely unsubstantiated.
-You claim to have gone away and worked on getting some evidence. You now return with nothing accomplished and are back to calling people shills and feeding the rigtards.

What do you reckon you are adding?

Holy **** dude, you are the prime example of why the "shills" get so frustrated in dealing with riggies. Some of us spent so much time with you last year trying to get you on the right track with regard to your approach to this problem. You said you were going to take time off to reevaluate your game, which you did, then came back, first seeming like you had figured something out, and then were right back to your paranoia. You then go back and forth, one day saying you're really going to check things out, the next calling people shills and accusing us of trying to lead people astray. Even last week, you had mentioned taking your handhistories to a friend for full analysis. I posted some very positive comments about that, even while others (Monty I think) told me I was stupid for thinking you would ever change. Lo and behold, two days later you were calling people shills and acting ever so much the riggie. You apparently didn't even bother sending your HHs to your friend but have gone back to encouraging riggies and talking about how rigged it is.

You don't like the advice we're giving, and yet have never provided one actual criticism of it. Then you go back to listing potential motives of sites to cheat, without any sense of how they'd do it in a way that would avoid detection.

You like not knowing for certain. You'll never actually send your HHs to your friend, or load up PT or HEM, because if your friend concluded that you were well within expectation, you'd have to actually face the fact that you're not as good as you think you are. You think I'm wrong about you? Then prove it! I'd be happy to be wrong here.

how the **** are they supposed to get that. (oh, patterns/timing, right?)
shill?
how do they know this, last names?
do you think they gave Moneymaker a Goldern Account?
see above (clearly this is a stupid concept)
stop eating lead chips and have yourself castrated. or at least deposit again. if you lose all your money I'll concede that online poker must be rigged - on the condition you deposit one last time afterward.
why would people who are getting shafted keep depositing?
Why would they **** over old people? How would sites determine attractiveness? Do you honestly think they care in the least bit what someone says in chat? And you think if someone sends an email complaining about something they're blacklisted?

Listen to yourself. You honestly sound crazy.
I'm mildly handsome and generally my contact with site staff is fairly innocuous, but I always take time to say thank you or praise especially good service. how come I don't have a goldern account.

I mean, I haven't shown an overall loss, but there have been some occasions which haven't been especially profitable. Am I getting too old maybe?

oh, and based on historical cycles, this is about the time for a "straw-man argument" to rear its head.

Yup, in a short while, but since you are curious I will PM you the info so you can watch the results as well if you promise to not spill the beans :P


Others have already ripped this to shreds, so all I will add is that this theory now requires the marketing department to be in on the rigging along with the secret programmers as well as the owners and bosses of all of these people.

All of them keeping a secret with a blood oath or something.

The real world is far less sexy.

Want to win at lower buy in poker ($100 or less buy ins)?


1) Play better than opponents

2) Play lots


Poker, and much of life is really that simple.

Monteroy you seem to be somewhere in between a shilltard, and a poker player. You say you are a winning poker player and a coach. Why are you not out crushing the competiton for profits online? It would seem you have a vested interest in this thread. Also as a winning poker player one would not mind any people questioning if online poker is rigged, it would help keep it to be run legitimately if this is the case.

who says he's not?

have you ever heard of "multi-tasking?"

Sigh, the money they spend on you people, and all that money for marketing, sigh i guess it still beats running a legitimate bussiness.

Better money spent than the tuition your parents paid all those years on your "special" education.

I am a winning player online and live (1 for 1 in WSOP cashes - quick brag). I also spend a lot of time helping manage a very busy coaching site, so while I am still crushing opponents as I have always done, I am spending more time in other poker areas as well.

People can question whatever they like, but if they have a massive flaw in their logic I see no problem pointing that out. That's what message boards like this are for, and it is a bit fun at times. If doing so creates a shill label that's fine with me as that shows their flawed thinking is not swayed by a logical response, which is often times the reaction I want to create.

If Donko wants to theorize that a huge team of marketing people, programmers, managers and others are creating massive programs to categorize people for boom switches and doom switches for the millions of hands they deal every day that is his right. It's impractical and insane and paranoid, but he has the full right to believe in what he wants.

One thing that being part of the grind for years as a player and coach and a person who has analyzed and extracted value from systems for years has demonstrated is that I can sadly tell you that life and patterns of human behavior are pretty mundane and rarely surprising.

Donko's vision of how the conspiracy could work would be fun if true. That's not how life works.

In the end:

Donko is a standard marginal player with paranoid tendencies

You are a standard gimmick account troll wannabe that got a bit tired of his routine and started reverting to who you actually are. Likely a smaller stakes player who never won or lost much so a thread like this gives you emotional value to make up for the lack of any real poker career. Don't worry, I know you will never say your user name to disprove this (part of that whole human behavior is easy to predict thing...)

Arouet is the nice guy who will eventually snap one day after realizing the futility of being nice to paranoid riggies

qpw3/Wiki is the "shill" who will never give up. Ever :P. Eventually this thread will be him replying to himself only

I am the standard arrogant guy who picks on other arrogant people, jerks and nutjobs for fun, while I have a softspot for genuinely decent people.


Human behavior is mundane and easy to predict for the most part, which is why massive conspiracies that require hundreds of people to be in on it with in this case no real financial gain just fail the common sense test.


1) Play better than opponents

2) Play often


Really is that easy (well easy for those who are self-aware enough to properly do step 1)


Cool exercise for you as you continue to not improve your game. Answer these questions

How many of us are "in on it?"

Define what a legitimate business means. How is this industry not legitimate?


This is me having fun with you by the way in case you can't figure out the human behavior at work.


All the best.

Since all the evidence (due to lack of evidence to the contrary) points to the deal not being rigged the only thing the rigtards accomplish is scaring away the odd casual donk who doesn't know better. It doesn't surprise me that you don't understand why a reg wouldn't want this.

let see as i can agree with you on one topic,being this.
qpw3/Wiki is the "shill" who will never give up. Ever :P. Eventually this thread will be him replying to himself only.
it would seem you are the one with the creative mind everything else you said exists only in your mind.

Cute answer, but you still never answered my questions (which was totally expected), so I am going to ask them again knowing that again you will not directly answer them because it's a fun way to annoy riggies I know will never take part in a logical debate.

Here they are with some hints

1) How many of us are "in on it?"

This question is an obvious trap since there is no sane way to answer it because no matter how many people you specify are in on it I can build on that answer and add dozens or hundreds more using whatever answer you give as a starting point.

Basically, this shows that your conspiracy belief is just a standard gut reaction post you did without really being able to back it up when pressed for details



2) Define what a legitimate business means. How is this industry not legitimate?

Similar trap question as if you choose to answer this with some specific reasoning that will get torn apart fairly quickly as well.


You did what was expected and ignored the direct questions which is what riggies tend to do, and in this case it is the best choice for you to make. Trust me, do not even try to answer them as you will get nowhere with it (hint: basic reverse psychology at play there).

obviously i have no proof of my rigged claims i am just expressing my opinons, campassionate for the honest joe, tryn to same him one more deposit because i feel its rigged and he deserves a fair shake. I will same you shills some agony because i have a bad virus on my computer and this may be my last post but dont count me out completely. The responses from the shills iritates very much thus forces me to give my 2 cents.

Obviously.

Otherwise you'd be a poker hero instead of a sad, deluded, paranoid, rigtard.

Er, ..., yes.

Very much posting yours amuses less daft peoples forum on.

Work upkeep is good for us you.