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06-30-2010 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
It's also possible they accept other qualifications, as not everyone could be expected to have studied GCSEs.
Obviously they accept equivalents otherwise no foreign student could ever study at an English university without going through the rigmarole of gaining a 'to them' foreign English qualification.
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06-30-2010 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
You see this is where you show you complete and utter cluelessness at logical reasoning (and a whole lot else besides).

If someone says A must the case before B, it is only necessary to find one single case that contradicts that assertion.

I said you must have a GCSE in English* to gain entry to a British university. That used to be the case. On checking, I found that, for at least one university, it was no longer the case so the assertion falls.

It's just sad that you didn't have the wit to check yourself nor the understanding of logic to realise that you only had to find one counter example to win that argument.



* Or equivalent for nor UK students.

Yeah, I fully understand that. I thought you were trying to prove you HAD to have GCSE English, didn't realise you were trying to prove the opposite. Sorry.
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06-30-2010 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Obviously they accept equivalents otherwise no foreign student could ever study at an English university without going through the rigmarole of gaining a 'to them' foreign English qualification.

Right, it's just that a minute ago you said you HAD to have GCSE English.

Let me guess though, that obviously meant or equivalents and any intelligent person would have known that without saying and as I am lacking intelligence I didn't spot that and I should now do a google search of some sort ?
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06-30-2010 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Right, it's just that a minute ago you said you HAD to have GCSE English.

Let me guess though, that obviously meant or equivalents and any intelligent person would have known that without saying
No.

I was wrong.

And when I discover I'm wrong I immediately admit it and correct the mistake so that the inaccuracy is not propagated any further than necessary.
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06-30-2010 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Yeah, I fully understand that. I thought you were trying to prove you HAD to have GCSE English, didn't realise you were trying to prove the opposite. Sorry.
Which part of "On checking, I found that, for at least one university, it was no longer the case so the assertion falls." did you not understand?

Is it not clear to you that I was admitting I'd made a mistake?

I suppose that's what comes of not even achieving the minimal standards of GCSE English.
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06-30-2010 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Which part of "On checking, I found that, for at least one university, it was no longer the case so the assertion falls." did you not understand?

Is it not clear to you that I was admitting I'd made a mistake?

I suppose that's what comes of not even achieving the minimal standards of GCSE English.

Like I said, I understand it all, just missed it at the time.

It's completely clear to me.

I didn't even attempt or have the opportunity to attempt GCSE English, as I don't live in a country where that's an option. It wasn't a case of not achieiving GCSE English.
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06-30-2010 , 09:58 AM
Top-Level Real Deal Poker Being Initiated into Coven


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I’d give my right arm for Real Deal Poker.
(real freakin' caption! sounds like a cult oath to me...)
clearly, there is something evil about Real Deal if you must demonstrate loyalty by marking your flesh. it's probably an anti-semitic discrimination tool iyam.

Newly-minted Real Deal Poker Pro (?) gives his take on their "Dedicated Forums" - I guess the only way you can prove your dedication is by breaking God's law forbidding the mutilation of the body.
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To this poker player and many others, it appears likely that many of the posts are in fact, attacking Real Deal Poker. On the other hand, I and many others there also agree that the tough questions need to be asked and should always be welcome. (The good news is that sensible questions are welcome at this poker forum, every single one of them! Mr. Gioia has stated this to me for years now.)
ya think the mods there have an agenda? at least we let 'tards be 'tards here, no matter how dumb.
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  • Are they all fair questions or just statements designed to put people off?
  • Do the questioners have hidden agenda’s that might include trying to keep players from giving RealDealPoker.com a fair shot? (And maybe showing a difference to what online players are used to!)
  • Are these negative post makers hiding something possibly?
each bullet point stupider than the last.

Last edited by Markusgc; 06-30-2010 at 12:33 PM.
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06-30-2010 , 10:03 AM
Here's a gem:

RNG deals

it has all the good stuff, rigtards at real deal, naysayers and even a guy who will soon become exasperated trying to explain that if you get your money in as a 75% favorite you'll win 75% of the time.

I've got some catchin' up to do with this forum today!

oh, here's the voice of reason there:
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Okay deedee and TheSquirrel if you are of the opinion that the ahead hands loose more than they win i vil try to prove you wrong

A couple of days ago after all the writing about odds i got cuorius and wanted to see how my ahead hands played out i checked my hh (cash games only) and searched for the hands where i was ahead after the flop and the hand had to go to showdown i got a big sample size of 46 hands i ran the hands in a odds calculater to get the precise odds.

9 hands in the range 60-70 % won 66.6 %
13 hands in the range 70-80 % won 53,8 %
15 hands in the range 80-90 % won 53,3 %
9 hands in the range 90-100% won 100%

so as you can see i win more hands than i loose when i am ahead lucky me
I guess he does say the "sample size" thing sarcastically, but that's not the only hole in his analysis. but it's probably sufficient for the epic dummies there.
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06-30-2010 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
Here's a gem:

RNG deals

it has all the good stuff, rigtards at real deal, naysayers and even a guy who will soon become exasperated trying to explain that if you get your money in as a 75% favorite you'll win 75% of the time.

I've got some catchin' up to do with this forum today!

oh, here's the voice of reason there:

I guess he does say the "sample size" thing sarcastically, but that's not the only hole in his analysis. but it's probably sufficient for the epic dummies there.
I checked out their forums quickly after clicking your link. Sort of a really dumbed down version of this thread (riggies and shills alike)

http://www.realdealpokerforums.com/s...inning-to-many

is a good example. Pretty much the same patterns of human behavior as in this thread on all sides except literally everyone is amusingly stupid, with some bonus posts by the guy who created the site like

"I'm getting at the fact that Real Deal deals hands from a live deck of cards. Ur trying to goat me? Please. move on. "

Sadly nobody asked what he really meant by "trying to goat me"
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06-30-2010 , 10:27 AM
OP of the thread mentioned above:
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I have watched this site for a few day and find it acts in the same way as rngs
I bet a machine-shuffled-deck does work the same way as an RNG.
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where the underdog wins at least half of his all ins no matter how poor the true odds.
what are the true odds of this guy having data to back up this claim?

and here's the first reply:
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i've been here since the site began and the odds of winning with the best hand are the same if not better than on RNG sites
so it's rigged then, huh?
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06-30-2010 , 10:35 AM
gestapo tactics imo
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kev .. i'd be careful what you write m8 or you will de labelled as a trouble maker ...
nothing scarier than the prospect of Gene Goia knocking on your door in the middle of the night...
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06-30-2010 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I checked out their forums quickly after clicking your link. Sort of a really dumbed down version of this thread (riggies and shills alike)
A dumbed down version of this thread?


That's even possible?
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06-30-2010 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
A dumbed down version of this thread?


That's even possible?
you tell me.

Ralph Wiggum would be bembarrassed for you if this was your work:
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I woulld not say rdp is am rng

I would not say it is a lot worse then that. Topic closed
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06-30-2010 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
assuming you meant "proven,"which ones are they exactly?

I don't really know too many, certainly not enough to denounce the whole industry as "a scam."

You, however, I see have made at least one really bad post. I can only proclaim without a shadow of a doubt that your other 1700+ posts are equally as tragic.
I am sure i made more than one bad post

1. Proved Superuser..not proofed how many are not catched
2. Proved DON ring..not proofed how many others cheat
3. Proved sponsoring deals not complete paid
4. Proved closing account..not proofed if thats all time correct

5. Proofed in general more and more software in use to get an edge
legal, half legal and non legal

By the way i was never a big winning player, but for a few years a parttime bonusabuser
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06-30-2010 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
Ralph Wiggum would be embarrassed for you if this was your work:
Um, that's unpossible.
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06-30-2010 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by solucky
I am sure i made more than one bad post
an attempt at humor. nicely done.
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1. Proved Superuser..not proofed how many are not catched
2. Proved DON ring..not proofed how many others cheat
3. Proved sponsoring deals not complete paid
4. Proved closing account..not proofed if thats all time correct
5. Proofed in general more and more software in use to get an edge
legal, half legal and non legal
numbers 3 & 4 don't really seem to count as "proved." can you elaborate?

and I'm not sure number 5 counts as a scandal, but tbh, I'm not exactly sure wtf you're trying to say there either.
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By the way i was never a big winning player, but for a few years a parttime bonusabuser
so what are you worried about?

anyway - and I'm being serious - I believe you can whore online Bingo sites. I don't know if they're rigged or not though, but it seems like easy money if that's all you're interested in doing.
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06-30-2010 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
Ralph Wiggum would be embarrassed for you if this was your work:
Um, that's unpossible.
no need to edit my quotes for me.
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06-30-2010 , 11:56 AM
The Pokerz mus be rig. Too many bad beat.
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06-30-2010 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoobydoobiedoo!
The Pokerz mus be rig. Too many bad beat.
this is a truly sad gimmick, buddy.


edit: truly, truly, sad.
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06-30-2010 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
this is a truly sad gimmick, buddy.


edit: truly, truly, sad.
But not a bad screen name....gotta love Scooby!
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06-30-2010 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
But not a bad screen name....gotta love Scooby!
that's the only reason he's not banned.
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06-30-2010 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
an attempt at humor. nicely done.

numbers 3 & 4 don't really seem to count as "proved." can you elaborate?

and I'm not sure number 5 counts as a scandal, but tbh, I'm not exactly sure wtf you're trying to say there either.

so what are you worried about?

anyway - and I'm being serious - I believe you can whore online Bingo sites. I don't know if they're rigged or not though, but it seems like easy money if that's all you're interested in doing.
3 & 4 i was never involved myself so anything is only from hearing and reading ...but i guess overall that is not a massive problem.

5 depends from the point of view.

If i play without any software is it " scam " that others use software, or is it OK i could use the software, too.

Is a Hud Ok..or is a programm that play 24 tables preflop also OK.
Principle a preflop- software do nothing that i dont do in real .

Or is a bot that play like me should be allowed too ?

Overall its not a big difference if you loose the edge against software or against a rigged deck. I have a OK fulltimejob and decided for myself that
there is not enough profit for me to play volume.
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06-30-2010 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by solucky
Overall its not a big difference if you loose the edge against software or against a rigged deck. I have a OK fulltimejob and decided for myself that there is not enough profit for me to play volume.
Yes, but that is because you don't have the skill to do so. You make it seem like it's because of the industry that you don't win. That's simply not true since there are plenty of winning players today.
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06-30-2010 , 01:28 PM
Why do tha Shaggys wit da big stack keeps takin tha Scoobys short snacks even tho tha Scoobs in wit da best paw?
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06-30-2010 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Yes, but that is because you don't have the skill to do so. You make it seem like it's because of the industry that you don't win. That's simply not true since there are plenty of winning players today.
Its true i never do large efforts to improve my game..i mostly run for the free money in the old days.

But how many winning players use HUD, Trackingsites? 85%-95% ?
And how large is the software - edge ? 1-2 BB ?
And i have NOT PROVED doubts that people play 12 hours 24 tables without autofolders or other tools
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