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06-28-2010 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
obviously i have no proof of my rigged claims i am just expressing my opinons, campassionate for the honest joe, tryn to same him one more deposit because i feel its rigged and he deserves a fair shake. I will same you shills some agony because i have a bad virus on my computer and this may be my last post but dont count me out completely. The responses from the shills iritates very much thus forces me to give my 2 cents.
This is you trying to revert to your silly troll gimmick account character which frankly was never that innovative a creation, and now it's too late to pull that off as well. Yawn.

If you want to irritate shills post more in the style of FatedToPretend and less with the fractured mundane troll routine you used.

Try that with your next gimmick.

All the best.
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06-28-2010 , 06:50 PM
Yes tird bags, i cannot type the word saved , flame on.
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06-28-2010 , 06:53 PM
there u go again, monteroy what is it you want to know? Ur shilltardery is not acceptable, what is it you want to know/
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06-28-2010 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Talking of getting amusement: Mr. Pot, can I introduce you to Mr. Kettle?
LOL!
Finally, someone smart enough to get my message. I'll stop with the troll style responses until someone irritates me again. I can see why you keep coming back here, it is just too easy to get some laughs.
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06-28-2010 , 07:04 PM
I am very confident in my game and very confident in my posts what is it you want to know?
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06-28-2010 , 07:06 PM
[ ] confident in my spelling.
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06-28-2010 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Yup, in a short while, but since you are curious I will PM you the info so you can watch the results as well if you promise to not spill the beans :P




Others have already ripped this to shreds, so all I will add is that this theory now requires the marketing department to be in on the rigging along with the secret programmers as well as the owners and bosses of all of these people.

All of them keeping a secret with a blood oath or something.

The real world is far less sexy.

Want to win at lower buy in poker ($100 or less buy ins)?


1) Play better than opponents

2) Play lots


Poker, and much of life is really that simple.
No blood oath necessary, just a non disclosure agreement. That would keep a small group of in the know people in line long enough to rape for a decade or two.

Again, I just took a quick stab at your challenge.

p.s. - you are in fact right about 1 and 2, especially these days because the game is getting tougher to beat with all of the coaching, videos and books out there. It is the just the evolution of the game.
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06-28-2010 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkoTheClown
LOL!
Finally, someone smart enough to get my message. I'll stop with the troll style responses until someone irritates me again. I can see why you keep coming back here, it is just too easy to get some laughs.
Here's another idea: why don't you try to contribute in a productive way to this thread? That may be too much to ask, since you clearly love your little routines. Fact is the "shills" are not trolling. While they may be insulting at times, what you get for the most part is honest opinion. Can you say the same about yourself Donko?
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06-28-2010 , 07:19 PM
Is this your question? quote.1) How many of us are "in on it?"

Answer= hell if i know.

why is that question beating you to death Monteroy, how could i possibly know the answer to that.
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06-28-2010 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Here's another idea: why don't you try to contribute in a productive way to this thread? That may be too much to ask, since you clearly love your little routines. Fact is the "shills" are not trolling. While they may be insulting at times, what you get for the most part is honest opinion. Can you say the same about yourself Donko?
I think that I am by making my point that there is a lot of non productive stuff going on here. It has just become an open sewer line for anyone to take a swim upstream with their mouth open anytime they want to question the validity of their safety playing online.

You have been productive 90+% of the time. I think you are just starting wear a bit thin and starting to crack (Like Monty said) and resorting to tactics you have learned from some of the Darkside characters here.

Sorry, I like to play both sides of the fence when I think the situation calls for it. That is all. Just not happy to see that you are feeling like you have to join in on the sport of beating up Rigtards.

With all that said, I do agree with you that I can be a bit more productive because I am just adding to the flotsam and jetsam here.
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06-28-2010 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
obviously i have no proof of my rigged claims i am just expressing my opinons, campassionate for the honest joe, tryn to same him one more deposit because i feel its rigged and he deserves a fair shake. I will same you shills some agony because i have a bad virus on my computer and this may be my last post but dont count me out completely. The responses from the shills iritates very much thus forces me to give my 2 cents.
People that have opinions on things that they have not one shrapnel of proof about are often viewed as paranoid and delusional. Although, it seems your paranoia is misguided as you should have been focusing more on your computer's security.
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06-28-2010 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
you should have been focusing more on your computer's security.
I thought that was an homage to stephenmeares.
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06-28-2010 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkoTheClown
No blood oath necessary, just a non disclosure agreement. That would keep a small group of in the know people in line long enough to rape for a decade or two.

Again, I just took a quick stab at your challenge.

p.s. - you are in fact right about 1 and 2, especially these days because the game is getting tougher to beat with all of the coaching, videos and books out there. It is the just the evolution of the game.

OK, how many people do you think need to be involved in this that would sign the "non disclosure" agreement for committing fraud?

Break it down in the following ways:

- Marketing/Planners
- Programmers - both for the RnG rigging and for the information tracking of customers
- Managers/owners/investors of the site

Next step is tell me how many rooms are doing this

Then tell me how they handle the people who leave their company. How exactly will a non disclosure agreement to commit fraud be enforced if we have a whistle blower?

Here are some helpful links

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8194744AAnXwGc

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1092705AABqWPr


I appreciate that you "took a stab" but the problem with your stabbing is that you never take the time to sharpen the blade beforehand so you speak before you think and as a result your opinions if true would create a situation so bizarre and complex that no company would ever try doing it, even one that was a marketing company that specifically created fun conspiracies.

I realize the shills here annoy you as they certainly do to a greater extent to lower level riggies like that gimmick insanedonk guy, and all of your posts show that frustration and a desire to get back at the shills.

Pissing off "shills" is a reasonable goal for posting here and you did an ok job with some of your previous incarnations and I gave you props when you had some good trolling going on. Flip side is when I see a boring standard riggie or troll I kind of smack them around a few posts then ignore them and refer to them without every actually acknowledging them again. Bonus chuckles when they spend multiple posts trying to get my attention again when we reach this point.

Donko, you are not bad at trolling "shills" but you have very sub-par logic and reasoning skills (which also shows in your general approach to online poker), and that is why your stabs tend to go nowhere and all you are left with is patting weaker riggies on the back and scolding mean ol "shills" who do not respect them or their requests.

Being brutally honest I can't ever see you doing that much in poker, but if you have fun with it and make a buck once in a while that is perfectly cool.

What you do have a decent skill set with is trolling when you create a good character and stick to it, so to satisfy the "man, these shills really piss me off" feelings just wait a few days and create a new character kind of between the clueless old guy one you created and the FatedtoPretend guy and have at it for a while, and when the shills respond to you as they always do (real visionary to predict that) then take a few days to enjoy that and then throw it back in their faces that they fell for another gimmick troll.


There you go donko - free coaching for an area I do believe you have some genuine skills to pull off at a reasonable level. Enjoy.
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06-28-2010 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
People that have opinions on things that they have not one shrapnel of proof about are often viewed as paranoid and delusional. Although, it seems your paranoia is misguided as you should have been focusing more on your computer's security.
of couse a shill would use such a label ,any other sound human being would not press the issue and persist in such a manner.i If you are sure it is not rigged with certainty then you are the fool. hoped that cleared things up!
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06-28-2010 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
of couse a shill would use such a label ,any other sound human being would not press the issue and persist in such a manner.i If you are sure it is not rigged with certainty then you are the fool. hoped that cleared things up!
Good thing I never made that claim. Since there is absolutely no evidence showing that it is rigged I am fairly certain that it isn't. Do you understand the difference?
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06-28-2010 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Good thing I never made that claim. Since there is absolutely no evidence showing that it is rigged I am fairly certain that it isn't. Do you understand the difference?
I think i understand you. You are saying you are fairly certain it is not rigged,
but confident enough to tell everyone wich rejects the fact that it might not be fair, that they are parinoid dellusional or a troll correct. So you are a fool correct?
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06-28-2010 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
I think i understand you. You are saying you are fairly certain it is not rigged,
but confident enough to tell everyone wich rejects the fact that it might not be fair, that they are parinoid dellusional or a troll correct. So you are a fool correct?
Huge logic fail.

If I were to say you beat your wife you would want evidence right? Even though it is possible that you beat your wife. However, it is much more likely that you do not beat your wife. Now to expand on that analogy even more; I have a complete history background of you and I check it and notice that there is no evidence to support the fact that you beat your wife (although I could have missed it). Other people haven't been able to find any evidence either.

So which is delusional? To be pretty sure you beat your wife or be pretty sure you don't beat your wife?

I'm sure you won't understand this analogy, but figured I'd try anyway.
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06-28-2010 , 08:17 PM
Take ur time on this one O/K
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06-28-2010 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Huge logic fail.

If I were to say you beat your wife you would want evidence right? Even though it is possible that you beat your wife. However, it is much more likely that you do not beat your wife. Now to expand on that analogy even more; I have a complete history background of you and I check it and notice that there is no evidence to support the fact that you beat your wife (although I could have missed it). Other people haven't been able to find any evidence either.

So which is delusional? To be pretty sure you beat your wife or be pretty sure you don't beat your wife?

I'm sure you won't understand this analogy, but figured I'd try anyway.
Saying i beat my wife out of the blue has no relavance.
My opinons of why internet poker is rigged is because of these encounters

[Things suggesting riggery]
The big stack is a chip maggnet in tournies and will do odds defying sukouts after suckouts.

pair hits the flop more than it should.

suited flops hits the board more than it should.

It would seem as suggested that the new player is juiced.

4 of a kind seem to hit twice an hour.



my Feed the fish theory were you got the fish on a 2 outer in critical pots and you recieve an acrobatic suckout time and time again.

Is it not common knowledge that almost every solid player runs far below EV.

etc.

etc
etc
Now then what leads you to believe i beat my wife?
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06-28-2010 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
Saying i beat my wife out of the blue has no relavance.
My opinons of why internet poker is rigged is because of these encounters
I knew you wouldn't understand the analogy. It's okay.

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[Things suggesting riggery]
The big stack is a chip maggnet in tournies and will do odds defying sukouts after suckouts.
This would be easy to check. Why has no one ever come forward with evidence of the big stack winning at much too high of a rate. Although you have to keep in mind that short stack probably has a larger range depending on the blinds. Of course I'm sure you haven't even thought about that.

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pair hits the flop more than it should.
How much should it hit?
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suited flops hits the board more than it should.
Again, how much should it hit?


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It would seem as suggested that the new player is juiced.

4 of a kind seem to hit twice an hour.
This would be extremely easy to test as well. Unless you were some sort of idiot.

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my Feed the fish theory were you got the fish on a 2 outer in critical pots and you recieve an acrobatic suckout time and time again.
Yeah, you mean a theory that is backed by zero evidence?

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Is it not common knowledge that almost every solid player runs far below EV.
LOL no. Please show me the study that showed this.

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etc.

etc
etc
Now then what leads you to believe i beat my wife?
Did I say I believed you beat your wife? Please learn to read.
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06-28-2010 , 08:46 PM
goodbye.
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06-28-2010 , 09:37 PM
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I am a winning player online and live (1 for 1 in WSOP cashes - quick brag). I also spend a lot of time helping manage a very busy coaching site, so while I am still crushing opponents as I have always done, I am spending more time in other poker areas as well.
Ahhh now your kneeling in front of Collin now? LOL, congrats on the cash I guess folding everything till you get that AA or KK pays off 1 out of 1000 tourneys huh?
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06-28-2010 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
Saying i beat my wife out of the blue has no relavance.
My opinons of why internet poker is rigged is because of these encounters

[Things suggesting riggery]
The big stack is a chip maggnet in tournies and will do odds defying sukouts after suckouts.

pair hits the flop more than it should.

suited flops hits the board more than it should.

It would seem as suggested that the new player is juiced.

4 of a kind seem to hit twice an hour.



my Feed the fish theory were you got the fish on a 2 outer in critical pots and you recieve an acrobatic suckout time and time again.

Is it not common knowledge that almost every solid player runs far below EV.

etc.

etc
etc
Now then what leads you to believe i beat my wife?
At least the riggies who make up bizarre undetectable theories make a little more sense than this. You've just listed off several easily detectable things you think is wrong with the deal. You state them as fact, so I assume you must have some evidence to back up these claims, right? So why don't you post it?

And are you really that able to understand an analogy?
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06-28-2010 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by INSANE DONK
Now then what leads you to believe i beat my wife?
are you saying you stopped then?
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06-28-2010 , 10:56 PM
quote... And are you really that able to understand an analogy?
yes i really am that able.
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