It's because I've seen little girls of six with more of a clue than you when it comes to computers.

They've just got more dynamism and curiosity and general 'oomph' about them.

You seem to sit around like a lemon whining and moaning that 'you're not good with computers'. And yet computers are a fundamental part of online poker which you at one point claimed was your only source of income.

For Christ's sake, stop whining and moaning and go and do something about it.

Wiki, it's never been a problem before, until I started posting here and some people couldn't dare believe someone would not be knowledgeable about computers.

Although online poker is (obviously) played on a computer, it clearly doesn't require any great knowledge of computers, (turning a computer on and opening a poker site,) so it's not as unbelievable or such a fantasy as you make out that someone could play a lot of online poker without knowing much about computers.

It's not the fact that I'm stupid, (cue insulting response), just the fact I've never been taught much about computing. Yes, I'd like to know more about them, but there are a thousand other subjects I'd like to know more about before computers and not enough hours in the day to begin to do anything about it.

So, as slow or unbelievable as it seems to some of you, I am in the process of beginning an investigation of my poker hands, using pen and paper.

Shame you did not use the experience from your "maths degree" to use these programs before the free trials expired since we all know you are a professional player who cannot afford them otherwise.

Maybe find some grunt work live to make the $50 or so to buy one of these packages you desperately need to compete.

Oh yeah, that will never happen.

Looks like you did everything possible, so I suggest you keep asking spadebidder about his study because that will definitely bring closure to your situation. Maybe he will spend a long amount of time teaching you (despite your "maths degree") some basic math and will spend weeks in an unpaid capacity doing endless studies that you ask which have no purpose.

Assuming spade maintains his sanity in that regard -that will never happen.


I guess you can ask the people in the probability forum your basic math questions before you do your pretend to do your studies by hand. They will answer you for free (until they get frustrated by your lack of basic understanding despite your "maths degree")

Oh yeah, that will never happen as well.


I guess you could do some kickback promotions to get full versions of the software that expired. Then you don't have to do the grunt job suggested above.

Oh yeah, that will never happen.


Hold on - you are not American so you can still do some bonus whoring if you plan it out properly, even with the roll of a few hundred you have on you.

Oh wait, that will never happen.


I know - why don't you debate Wiki endlessly on important stuff like educational systems or whether he ever got banned or not in the past (he did, but who cares and that will not stop him from posting).

Yeah, that WILL happen!



Maybe one day you will do a reveal as a Donko gimmick

That may happen.


Maybe you will do a reveal as a Monteroy gimmick

That...



All the best!

LOL

Well, you do apparently because you mention it, implicitly or explicitly, fairly frequently.

Loving the 'maths degree' in inverted commas, as if I've made it up. I'm certainly not a liar and don't like being accused of being a liar.

I'm not asking spade to teach me basic math, (it's 'maths' by the way), nor am I asking spade to do any endless studies for me. As I've kept saying, I'm in the process of doing my own analysis.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...5102552AATLSUJ

will give a better indication why I quote you when you say "maths degree." I am not a Brit, and I don't really care if you have one or not. If you have a degree and cannot do basic work that is based on that degree that is your problem. Consider obtaining a literature degree without ever reading a book as a follow up.

Good luck with that manual analysis. Let us know what you have in a couple years time instead of spending 15 minutes using Holdem Manager.





That's because it's fun mocking you once in a while, not because I care. You do this all the time to others even when you do not genuinely care, so it is behavior you understand fairly well. You just use volume as a weapon, I am more selective, and part of your volume approach is that you cannot stop yourself.

Just look at how you are being strung along by Fated. Even knowing that is being done on purpose will never stop you from reacting every time.

You beat Fated/the person behind him simply by ignoring him or doing a hit and run post once every week, but even telling you that will not stop you from doing what you need to do.


That's sort of the irony in all of your endless debate with him. You are both basically the same real life guy . I only pretend to be him here once in a while (or do I ...)


Anyway, I will leave you to chat with "Fated" for a while. Feel free to toss in a last comment to me about whatever you feel is needed or do one of your intentional misquotes (been a while since you pulled that from your bag of tricks). Or stereotype women. Whatever you like. I simply wish you...


All the best.

Something doesn't add up here.

Pokertracker has a 60 day free trial period, and the first quote is from less than 60 days ago.

You are indeed correct. My Pokertracker has 23 days left to run. I thought they were both 30 day trials.

What 'basic work' based on my degree could I not do ?

Simple statistical analyses. Simple database usage.

You know - easy math based stuff for someone with a degree in the topic.


The logical course of action is that you wait 24 days to begin your manual statistical study.

Talk to Wiki in the meantime - the 24 days will fly by that way.



Seems at times I am simply speaking to myself...


All the best.

Love the way you can get a whole screenfull out of Monty with one sentence.

You gotta stop this hero worship, Monty.

We never studied any 'database usage.' I don't know how to do that.

I can do simple statistical analyses. I did study that, although it was an optional module, so some people with maths degrees may not have studied this.

For anyone with any sort of science of maths degree it is very easy. Something for which you can easily learn the basics from a book.

I presume you learned to read before you took the maths degree.

WIKI. PLEASE. GIVE ME A BREAK.

There are things that you know that I don't know.

There are things that I know that you don't know.

Also, just because I have a maths degree, does not mean I know everything about maths. You know that. There were many branches of maths available to study and we could only choose certain areas. I don't claim to be any sort of expert, even in the areas which I did study.

I have no interest in learning about 'database usage.' There are millions of things I don't know, many of which I'd like to learn more about. Database usage is not one of them.

I am fully aware that if I wanted to learn about something, I could read it from a book. That doesn't need to be typed, complete with sarcastic comment.

For my last post of the day to you I will try to help the Fated character keep his routine going longer with others. Thus, I am going to ask "you" to detail what you studied for your degree. What types of math, how many courses in math (list them out), what years you did this degree (I assume it was decades ago before computers).

Tell us what is involved in a statistical study and define some of the more common terms. You can even use google to help if you need. Oh wait , I forgot about your google search abilities..


Explain in great detail how you plan on doing your manual statistical study, and explain why spending a ton of hours doing it your way is better than using software that would take 15 minutes to use.

Take your time, you still have 24 days before you can genuinely claim you only have expired software and have to do it manually since as a poor poker player you cannot afford this new fangled software for $50.


Talk about educational systems in general (I can see that is starting up already as I write this).

Also, comment on the guys who are posting freeroll bad beats. Do you think they have as legitimate claim to be "concerned" as you that everything is fair.

How would you help them out?


And last simply to be festive - I dare you to answer this question:

Why will you never post your stats based questions in the probability forum?


Off for the day. I hope I have given you ample stuff to kill time before your software expires.

The rest of the day can be enjoyed by the two of you. I put the over/under at 50 posts between the two of you after this one for the day. Maybe you can do a statistical analysis of how likely that is to happen...

All the best.

Damn. Wrong account again.

You get a break when you stop being deliberately lame in this thread.

It's fully automatic.

Yes, but I'm not coming on here wittering on about analyses and then saying I don't know about the appropriate tools.

You do that all the time.

Anyone with a maths degree should be able to handle the basic stats required for this sort of stuff with no problem. Even in the unlikely event that they've never encountered them before.

Same with the computer stuff.

And yet you came here whining about how you were making all you money from on line poker but now made so little you couldn't even afford to by PT.

Now you say you won't spend a few hours learning things that should be tools of your trade if you had ha'p'th of sense. (But are happy to spend hours on here engaged in pointless arguments with Monty, others and me.)

Truly pathetic or master gimmick?

If he's a gimmick, then I'm impressed.

Fated, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you in another thread say to Monteroy (or someone) that your situation had changed and you now had a tracking program? Or at least strongly insinuated it?

(keep in mind, these things can be looked up, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm right, you took Monteroy to task for calling you a liar about it, IIRC,)

I agree. That's why I'd prefer him to be a gimmick.

A truly masterful gimmick is a lot more interesting than a lame duck poker player.

He's now said he downloaded trial versions but, apparently did nothing with them until they expired.

Oh, no, he's now saying (after someone pointed out an anomaly) that only one has expired.

But he's really doesn't feel it's worth the effort to learn how to use it so he's just going to come and whine here.

Wow, that's a lot of questions.

You're asking me to detail what I studied in my maths degree by listing them all out. I studied up to 12 modules a year, for 4 years, so anywhere up to 48 modules. I really can't remember them all in list format, but I'll try and remember some of the things we studied. The degree was from 2003-2007.

I believe in first year, we studied algebra modules 1-3, statistics 1-3, and calculus 1-3, along with microeconomics, macroeconomics and I think international economics or something like that.

Second year, I can't remember anything we did apart from statistics modules 4-6.

Third and fourth year, we did things like Algebra and Analysis, Numerical Analysis, Vector Analysis, Discrete Maths, Pure Maths, Maths Biology, Ordinary Differential Equations, Partial Differential Equations, can't remember any more than that. Quite bad considering it was only 3 years ago.


What is involved in a statistical study ? It obviously depends on what the statistical study is on. If you're referring to mine which I have mentioned, I was going to start by analyzing my all-in hands and seeing if hands are winning what looks like a realistic percentage of times. No great detail to go into really, simple as that.

I've never claimed doing it by pen and paper is better than using a program that will do it for me. The only advantage I could see is that I would know my study was correct if I sat down and did it myself. Unfortunately, I can't even get Pokertracker to open on my computer, let alone work out how to use it and as I see there being many problems along the way if I choose to do it that way, (due to my incompetence with computers), plus the fact that my trial would run out in 23 days, in the middle of my analysis, I think pen and paper is unfortunately the only option.


Yeah, the guys posting freeroll bad beats have as much right to be concerned as anyone else. It's difficult to prove anything but the best I could suggest is that they do what I'm doing and gather a body of evidence, but they may not even play enough hands to make any evidence worthwhile.


I only had one stats based question, which was related to this debate and was aimed at spadebidder, so I posted it here. He answered it and that was fine. I don't have any more.

I'm not whining about anything Wiki. I'm in the process of gathering evidence, AS YOU YOURSELF SUGGESTED, I had a question regarding analyzing the evidence, which I came and asked spadebidder. That's all.

You and Monteroy have jumped on that with attack after attack as per.

Wiki, the guy's clearly speaking to me. There's no need for you to be answering that. As I said, 'The Great Poker is Rigged Debate, last post by Wiki.'

I downloaded the trial versions of both Pokertracker and Holdem Manager a wee while ago. They won't even open, let alone me begin to figure out how to work them. I'm not too bothered by that, I must add, again a lot of you seem more bothered by that than me, I only downloaded them to appease the very same people in the first place.

As my trial version expires in 23 days, I'm not sure of the benefits of learning to use it, as by the time I do, it will be gone anyway.

Yes you are.

You've been whining about the way people respond to you all day. I've known teething children who don't whine as much as you do.

You've gathered the evidence. It's on your computer in your HH's.

It's just that you are such a computer klutz that you can't do anything with them.

And you have no intention of learning the few skills you need, preferring to come here and whine about how useless you are with computers and beg for help.

It's really wearing a little thing now.

OTOH, if you are a gimmick, excellent job!

On the other other hand, I'm still not 100% convinced that you are not Monty losing an argument with himself.