If it's really rigged against you, YOUR HAND HISTORY WILL SHOW IT MATHEMATICALLY.

Don't cherry pick your data. In science we call that FRAUD. Post your whole database, and you've got people offering to run an honest analysis.

I heard that poker stars plans to rig it more in favor of UK players so UK players play more and there net rake from the UK players will end up been the same despite the tax thus pokerstars strengthening there position even more.

seriously though guys if i make a silly youtube video about donkeystars been a hero and some sort of brave heart theme can i make a thread for it please???

Do you have proof that online casinos and online blackjack are rigged? Or are they rigged because the games have a house advantage? If the latter is the case, then clearly live poker is rigged... if b&m blackjack and casino games are rigged then there is no reason live poker can't be rigged as well.

Why does McDonald's sell chicken sandwiches? Or desserts? Or salads? They make plenty of money from their burgers, fries, and pop.

LOL.

Always love the "online blackjack/casinos are rigged" posts. All they have to do is change some of the rules, completely legitimately and legally (restricting doubling down, pay less for blackjack, dealer hits on soft 17, etc.) to increase their edge, but for some reason they're going to risk getting caught "rigging" it. Sure, that makes sense.

I'm sure the ones now doing live dealers will be rigged too.

2923367455 .....I won this hand and I'm still saying Bovada is becoming a questionable
. I have played a lot on bovada and really want to believe it is good. I can play tight aggressive and beak even plus a little at 10. 25. 6 max nlhe. But it seems like they intentionally want the money to constantly exchange accounts/players. It keeps the money on the site much longer the more it moves around. Take a look at the hand number I have posted. The guy's with QQ and AA were the biggest stacks at the table. I sit down and this is my first hand. the other two guys left out of the hand are short stacked already. Tell me they don't spread it out? That I'm just that fn lucky. I have lost to more 8 outers than you can image. And I'm starting to notice when I have 12 outs or more I might as well fold. I know live is crazy I have been sucked out and have seen runners beat me. I have played live a lot and have never seen KK. VS AA. VS QQ. vs 88.... or 4 pocket pairs out of six players.

Those numbers mean nothing. We can't see the hand unless we played in it.

Basically I sat down , first hand I get KK. I shove and 3 others call, 25$

KK....AA.....QQ....88

I win with my set of KK. The guys I beat had all doubled up plus some. I found it random that the two guys left out of the hand were short stacked. Plus so many other hands. I truly like bovada, But I wish I had converted all my HH before it expired. I take notes while playing and the 8 outers winning on the river was almost 47% of my good spots. Call it variance.. call it a small sample. I don't trust corporations to look after my best interest, I don't trust Poker sites to either.

What's an "8 outer" and how often should they have won?

I'm saying I got my money in on the turn and lost to guys/girls that had a 16%chance of hitting a card they needed.

This happened nearly 47% of my good spots/shoves on turn. Basically coin flips in spots it shouldn't be.

Then stop playing on them and stfu about it.

Yes I know.
You said you do not trust poker sites. If you truly do not trust poker sites then you would not use them.

Pokerstars remains totally rigged. I tried firing up some more zoom for the lulz today.

I get set over setted TT vs AA.

Flop a flush when the other guy flops the nut flush.

Have QQ, flop is Q87, this donk pushes all in with 9T (no flush draw). Of course a 6 hits on the river to give him the straight.

Rigged BS left and right. If you don't agree you're seriously lacking an open mind.

Anyway, at least I got laid last night, which is more than Monteroy and you other cent grinders will have managed I suspect.

AA vs KK vs QQ vs 88. This can happen, but honestly the number of times you would see it would be tiny, mostly because really 88 should never be all in pre and QQ in hands of half way decent player would know they were up against a better hand and fold too.

And I've seen it happen live, and you can go online and see it happen countless times in pro events, but you won't tend see the small hands of course. But 3 big hands, they do happen, and should too.

As for the rest of your claims. Sorry, I suspect your figures are made up, or a very tiny sample size that won't be relevant. Certainly if you are just writing them down.

Lastly, play elsewhere or stop playing period if you think online is rigged.

You are a funny character. For a while I thought you were Monteroy or at least someone who basically made posts at his request.

But you also have been making a number of posts in strategy forums, including starting a number yourself. And at least a few (I have not read them all) of your strategy forum posts are not so bad.

And of course there was that one post where you seemed to admit you were just trolling this thread. So maybe that clears it up.

Still, funny character.

In this thread, I wonder if you would prefer me to (1) review all strategy threads you start and give my advice; (2) give you free coaching; or (3) just respond to rigged posts here/do nothing. I also wonder if your response to this in this thread will basically be to say that you are so much better than me that my reviewing your hands or offering coaching is worthless to you.

Refocus your energy,

People don't have to buy these if they don't want to. Personally, I think I agree with you in that I think it is stupid for people to pay money for play chips.

I mean, just think about it: You can spend $10 on X play chips and play with them. Or you can spend $10 on $10 real chips and play with them. Either way you spent $10 and will play poker and only one way do you have a chance of getting real $ back.

Think he is mostly talking about US players that can't play on there for real money, and only for play money.

Ah, yea I guess you are right. I think my point still stands. The $10 real money deposit would just have to be on a different site.

One thing I've noticed with online poker is that you never see someone in micro/low cash games with a massive cash advantage for example. If buy in is $5 you never see anyone winning to the point where they have say $50 dollars or more.

Why is this? I sometime seems the site cap how much you can win at any one table.

Surly you'd expect to see more people with large winnings compared to the inital buy-in?

Not sure I've ever seen anyone at tables up 10 buyin's. 2-3 buyins is common and even 4-5 too.

Main reason you won't see much more is unless someone got massively smacked in the face with the deck they would need a fairly long session at one table that didn't break up, and you'd need to be there to see it. And a lot of people tend to take breaks too.

Think about it, if you play maybe 70-100 hands per hour at a table you'd have to play fairly long session or get a real lucky run of cards against people with fairly strong hands that will pay you off to jump lots of buyins without losing any.

I've rarely if ever seen anyone sitting with 10 max buy-ins in a live game either. 3 or 4, maybe 5, sure.

You know what, now you mention it I've seen it once that I recall, and even then I'm not sure it really counts. Million dollar cash game, Tom Dwan vs Phil Ivey where he took down a 1.3 million dollar pot in a game where the buyin was 100k. Even then they had topped up to play deeper, so not sure even that counts as up 10 buyins. Though I think only Phil topped up and Tom had won most of his stack before that point. Not sure, he may have rebought for 200k after getting stacked earlier.

Still, it's about the only time I can think I've seen someone up 10BI live or online that I recall.

i'm sure many of these micro players online have no policy of hanging around for a while after busting someone, neither. (especially weaker players). they 'hit & run' as it were...

Bank machines spook some people as well, which is why banks (much as they wish they did not have) still offer tellers for some people and transactions.

That is the best part of a free market system for products or services that are hardly essential (like food, shelter). Playing poker is not a basic need, so if a potential consumer does not trust a company they have the choice to not do business with them.

Riggies tend to avoid saying why they continue to give business to a company they do not trust, but as long as they continue to do that then they are contributing to the problem according to their own perspective.

That is why I suggest nearly all riggies quit all forms of online poker. By now it is apparent they have no real voice to encourage change (the only attempt at a site for riggies was Real Deal Poker which failed quickly), so if they really want to be true to their convictions they should do as I say and quit providing business to these sites, and encourage others to quit (if they already quit).

Riggies who talk about how corrupt the poker sites are before venting about standard whiny bad beat hands are part of their own problem, and as long as they continue playing with what they believe to be corrupt sites then why should anyone take what they say seriously.

Hope this helps and also as a new gimmick account (likely a retread of some past riggie) you will have a hard time getting far because many throw-away riggies like you come and go and are forgotten. At least you should say how you quit all forms of poker and other riggies should follow what you did. More riggies should do as I suggest, so perhaps you can be a temporary leader in that regard before you fade away.

If it is clearly rigged, then you clearly should never play online poker (unless you actually exploit the rig for profits which no riggies have done to date).

All the best.


P.S. If you plan to stick around at least come up with a fun new weird riggie theory. The riggies as of late are pretty uncreative in that regard. The whole "I never see a big stack at cash games" thing has some fun potential so feel free to build on it, but keep in mind that will contradict many riggies who say there are way more action hands (which in theory would cause some stacks at the table to be pretty large).

Of course it does not take a high amount of intelligence to "see" it. That is why riggies tend to "see" it, though they disagree quite a bit on what they actually see in terms of a rig.

I never try to change a riggies mind, because in the end paranoid gonna paranoid. I do say that any riggie who continues to play at the sites they say are corrupt is a hypocrite, and as such should not be taken seriously at all, because if they continue to support sites they say cheat then why should anyone else?

You dodged whether you have quit all forms of online poker, so I will assume you continue to pay the sites you "see" as cheating you. Interesting choice on your part.


What about all of the riggies who continue to play there? At least the sheeple in your example believe the game is fair, so they do have a reason to play there. How evil are the sites in that they get riggies like you who believe they can "see the truth" yet continue to send them rake money. In the world according to your brain, the people who need to "wizen" up are the riggies who continue playing. They are the biggest suckers of them all!


All riggies, especially ones like you, should quit all forms of poker for the rest of their lives. You can pretend not to see that, and dodge that issue, but that is the best advice your kind can follow if you want to be true to your beliefs.

All the best.