Many of the rigged theories posted here wouldn't even make a site more money.

I agree however I don't really trust the hand histories all that much because there have been reports of hand histories missing, I've experienced that myself. Why or how they went missing is a mystery in itself but I don't really trust a site to provide me with total transparency when they themselves ( Pokerstars as an example) are really milking the community hard, and have been for some time now, ( see the player meetings thread). Not sure the proper way but in 2014 taking someones word for something isn't enough for me. I would like to see the inner workings and I believe that was promised soon in the form of a video regarding it.

You have to ability to save them to your PC in real time while playing and never have to ask for them.

That's true. An overall rigging just doesn't make sense. people run hot, people run cold. That's the game. If I lose live I get mad at the dealer, at the game itself. Forget how many times I am thinking live " f poker man" however I wouldn't put it past them to have the ability to be able to rig if they wanted too individual hands. I'd like to be shown that is impossible and see the client

Note there is a long gap between rigging the game and milking customers with charges you are clearly told about etc. Not like that isn't company policy in just about every business in the world to a greater or lesser degree.

Hand Histories: as others have said you can save them yourself to folder or port them into things like holdem manager or poker tracker. I've never had hands go missing. Well except in very odd occasions where a tournament has staggered and the hand has played but you've just not seen it happen. I've always been able to get the hand, and this is hyper rare to happen. It's normally caused by lag when it does though.

Based on you saying you go off on live dealers there is NOTHING that will make you feel good about online poker. If you can't trust someone right in front of your face, you will never trust a company and a machine dealer that are not right in front of you. No video, no compliance and no other form of evidence will really suit you by the sounds of it.

You clearly are twisting what was said to suit your own agenda. Point being players run bad live and online all the same, only live you know you are not getting ripped off, online you don't. Funny how the others don't post after a comment like that, let it sit for all the "riggies" to see. Unlike most I don't believe what I am told unless there is a reason to trust. When companies are outwardly "milking the cow" as has been shown in the meetings thread than maybe it's time to rethink other information we are being force fed. You guys don't converse with each other, just pop off at anyone that suggests online poker may be a little bit corrupt. Ok..

Why do you think huntsman, monteroy, etc. spend massive amount of time in here?

NO WAY!!!! This just cant be!!!!!!!!! You, of all people were unable to see what thousands of online players see all the time! Say it aint so! Im....Im shocked!

Dude with A5 called it a "fkn joke" he lost this hand, and it reminded me of this thread.

This post is just a joke right????

No more or less than any other ITT.

Oh I dunno. You didn't even lose the hand.

We know. If you didnt blame the dealer or the site you might actually have to take responsibility for your own results. Obviously you could never just be a man and do that.

your rhetoric is the same. Not once have I blamed anyone for my "lack of results". I have very good results. I haven't said online is rigged either. You are falling in to your pattern of generic rhetoric.Not surprising either.

Great point, except that I don't think there are any such people in this thread.

Of course you probably already have the evidence that there are, you surely wouldn't make stuff up here of all places, in which case I will be interested to read the posts that you link in your reply.

Burn card discussion moved here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...cards-1477941/

Why dont you go to a non-baised forum and ask this question like "answers.com"? When you have multiple mods and shills rush in to tell you your wrong, (like when people bring up obvious deal manipulation), you might be right.

Thanks

This latest BR alias really should be permabanned.

We were discussing basic probability. There's no reason for anyone to have an ulterior motive to convince him of anything. Whether he's right or wrong, it wouldn't change anyone's rigged theories.

LOL @ the idea of answers.com being a better place to get the solution to this than a probability forum.

OK.
It just sounded good that saying if a card was removed probabilities went down.,

And then ones like you that change ID to push your agenda and the thread in the riggies direction. Sure the sites do have people from their sites on here, though they are named as far as I know. You lot really don't matter a tiny bit to them other than in your own little minds. Seriously, Fulltilt used to have it's own website and they had a rigged thread on there that they didn't close/delete or worry about at all.

They don't care at all about rig theory idiots. They know they won't be convinced otherwise, are losing micro players and likely aren't playing at all anyway. So they don't give a monkeys what you have to say. If anything you'll just be a big joke in the office most likely.

Would beat changing ID's all the time I'd think.

Fulltilt used to have it's own forum and they never deleted the rigged thread they allowed on there even though if I recall it was bigger than this one.

They don't care about you at all. They know you don't play, or hardly at all in most cases. If they care at all I'd think it is just to have a good laugh at the crazy **** you come up with.

Yeah, and you post 3 minutes after me... Big difference.

I'm sure the sites would actually prefer we didn't post. If we didn't this thread would likely have one post per month and be a bunch of idiots agreeing with each other.

We are paid shills but repeatedly tell you to quit playing poker, and not to ever play online again. So yeah, go with your guts as clearly this makes sense. Another idiotic idea, but what a shocker there.

Lets me break some news to you bro. You are irrelevant. Only in your dim witted self absorbed mind would the thought that a multi million dollar company would spend thousands of dollars to keep some random dime playing poker player from crying after he loses ever seem even remotely sane. The only people that give two ****s about you in the poker world are the few random people in this thread that for whatever reason enjoy poking you with a stick from time to time to see what ******ed thing will come tumbling out of your cavernous skull as a response.

Not only that, but you are too dumb to realize that you are a casinos wet dream. You gamble with gut feelings and emotions. You have zero sense of reality. You think you are a good player and will always believe that someone else is the reason you suck. You believe they steal from you and you still do business with them and give them your money. You are great for any casinos business I can assure you that. They live off of fools like you.

Believe it or not, this is the only post anybody needs to read. As you can see the guy was banned. Im shocked that this wasnt deleted. More than likely left here for shills to pick apart with their same old B.S. like the first dude who rushed in 8 minutes later.
Just think, if the deal was truly random, all the "shills" that monitor this thread by the minute would have nothing to do!

Have you quit all forms of poker?

Should all riggies quit all forms of poker like I suggest, and stop paying rake to the evil sites?

Yes or no, do you agree with my message to riggies like you for years?

All the best.