Because its easier to blame the deal than admit they just suck at poker would be one reason.

It is not obvious. You made that up.

This is common knowledge, but what you are describing is not only fabricated, but if it were true, it would decrease the money sites make.

This is false. You made that up. The reality is the total opposite obviously.

This is false. You made that up. The reality is the total opposite obviously.

Because you are full of ****.

Thats your problem. You think of scenarios in your head and present them as fact with zero evidence to support them. No one gives a **** what you think. We care about facts here.

I answered the first quote as if the word not wasnt there fwiw^^^

Also, for the record, when I responded to the quote about online players not being able to make the same money live and stated it was false, I was referring to a hand by hand comparison.

I love all the facts here, which are of course unsupported or just plain stupid. Lets see.

1. All sites don't deal the same as live. Yes they do and has been proved every time some random muppet brings up a stat they think is wrong.

2. Bigger hands happen more often. No they don't. My stats prove this, please show your stats that prove it does.

3. Bigger hole cards are dealt at the same time more often. No it doesn't. My stats say it doesn't. Again please give some evidence that it does.

4. Online players not being able to play live. Can be adjustment. Live you have tells that online aren't there, and can take time avoid giving off body language tells live.

5. Live players suffer just as badly going from live to online. Many top pros have utterly failed online even when they are successful live.

6.They deal to keep the game as even as possible. This is what random will do. You'll get the same percentage of big PP's and big hands as everyone else. Then you have to get an edge via playing better than the others getting the same amount of good hands etc. SO YES the deal will keep the game even, but not as some rig, just a natural effect of a random deal.

Lastly. Quit poker. Anyone with this much idiotic thoughts will never be convinced and wish to remain thinking that it is the game that is rigged and not their weak play that is an issue.

Hunts and Street Hog keeping up the patrol of this thread. Presumably Monteroy and Rig Astley are on annual leave.

Are you still accusing people here of being shills for stars?

Do OTHER people also have to self-dox to prove what a nimrod you're being here?

Daniel Negreanu trying to lure me back to rigged zoom BS games AGAIN! Pokerstars will never stopped until they have rigged ALL my money away it seems. Look at this, totally shameless:

No idea what you mean by self-dox but if it means showing your IP address/location you're posting from, that proves nothing. Stars have employees all over the world, and for a job like this that requires no actual office time (just forum monitoring which can be done anywhere with an internet connection) Stars can employ anyone, anywhere. In fact it would be optimal for them to do that as they then have coverage of this thread no matter the timezone.

Self-dox means to self-document - to identify ones self on the internet.

I gave you my name, state of residence (from which I cannot even play on stars, duh), occupation and name of my employer. I can give you a link to my 7+ year old Facebook account too if you want, complete with a message calling you a moron proving that it's mine.

I cannot prove to you that I do not work for stars, obviously, because the non-existence of a thing cannot be proven. I challenge you, however, to find one shred of evidence supporting your assertion that those of us who respond to your rigged allegations with scorn ARE employees of stars in any fashion.

For reference.

Oh and wasn't it "convenient" that you, DonkeyStars, STOPPED posting for a rather long period of time in this thread after I posted the above self-dox. Almost like you were hoping enough time passed that people forgot about it...

Right anyone can give a fake name, address and employer. It proves nothing

What do you think about the above email I posted which proves Negreanu is trying to lure me back into playing zoom again so Stars can take my money and give it to higher VIP status players?

I think Stars tries to get everyone back who stops playing there. So what? You think he's targeting you PERSONALLY? LOL self-deluded much?

As for my identity - I invite you to go to Seals With Clubs and ask about me. Or check my FaceBook profile: https://www.facebook.com/chuck.haeberle.

You'll even find a special message there, JUST FOR YOU!

If you think Stars will go so far as to invent a completely fictional profile for the purposes of disputing this thread, I would point out, MY PROFILE IS OLDER THAN THIS THREAD.

Dumbass.

(For those of you who want to save some time, here's the screen grab)

This is getting to be a very dull and boring troll line donkey. Come up with something new or I'll just have to keep posting royal flush hands.. Or other more boring ones of me playing on Pokerstars (which I can't do if I work there).

You're like a dog with a bone, except in this case the bone doesn't exist. You love this one though as no-one can ask YOU to prove it, unlike all your ******ed rig theories.

Oh and Spin and Go are not Zoom. Good that you know what the hell you are talking about as usual.

You could legitimately press the alert button and ask a mod to delete these posts if the same poster keeps making the same allegations over and over again.

It's always been accepted by the 'shills' that the 'tards will say we work for the sites and that's accepted, and sometimes even played up to.

However, even a thread as ludicrous as this can be trolled, and I think the same poster just repeating the same stupid allegation over and over again with no substantive variation qualifies as deliberate and unwarranted disruption.

Agreed.

Cease and desist, DonkeyStars, or you're outta here ... again.

OFC you realize this will just "prove" that you're in their employ...

If it makes him happy, he can add it into his long list of conspiracy theories as long as he doesn't keep boring everyone else with them.

I was searching the net when I found his thread some aspects of the thread interest me. after reading about the diffcode and the flaming he or she got its quite plain to me some people just do not understand how programs are built and ran on these poker sites.

Contrary to what some companies want you to believe, there is no such thing as a Costa Rican remote gaming license. Costa Rica simply gives online gambling companies a business license and gives them regulations that pertain to how they must do business in Costa Rica. There should be no expectation of assistance should a Costa Rican company that is not licensed in another country fails. Many U.S. facing sports books are located in Costa Rica.

Any program can be altered to have the results the owner wants it to have For anyone to suggest otherwise shows a lack of knowledge on their part.

http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~rubin/courses...assignment.txt


Take a look at this test that was giving if you think rngs can not be manipulated to the aspect of even fooling audits or even the so highly touted hand history aspect that the industry touts as proof the rngs are random.


I would like to add to the debate I do not know of any poker sites that have
a random audit test for their rngs the test that are preformed are to just assure the rng is working these so called audits are preannounced as well so we should never put any stock in these.

So is online poker rigged to be rigged they would have to be breaking a law or standard that was placed upon them and at this time no such law or standard exist so no online poker is not rigged but it is a scam yes to the tenth degree.They have the right to run their poker site as they see fit they can manipulate rngs to what ever the desired outcome they want.

Action flops depositers percentage of wins so on and so forth its a never ending list of ways they could manipulate the outcomes of any game.I could go on forever with this post but I will stop here for now but I will finish wih this with any company that has a product it is their job to prove the product is as advertised its the same for poker sites untill there are laws and standards that are applied to every poker site players will never have a fair game.

Oh, so just like every audit ever in the history of auditing?

It never gets old seeing someone pop on here with no idea wtf they're talking about post soooooooo condescendingly.

Amazing.

Donkey gets a warning, and here's a brand new riggie.

Listen - if you have a complete hand history that contains tens of thousands of hands experienced by a regular player, then any rigging patterns that deviate from predicted statistics WILL be noticeable.

If, for example, you have a sample of 1,000 hands where the player has AA (82.64%) and goes up against KK(17.36%) (note the exact suits), ANY analysis of that history that doesn't come up with somewhere between 790-850 cases where the AA wins is going to STAND OUT as an anomaly. (That's a +/3 3% deviation allowance) Losing AA to KK 50% of the time would SCREAM a problem, and so would winning AA over KK 92+% of the time.

The allegation that you can shut down the rig when you know an audit is coming has SOME merit - but the idea that a statistically significant sized and complete, unfiltered hand history over an extended period could HIDE a rig is ... simply silly. If the rig is "hidden", it's because the history would reveal that the player received exactly as much winnings as he/she should have (within statistically acceptable variations).

This proves my point exactly if the cheating players at absolute had kept their winnings under a certain amount they would have never been caught the simple fact they got greedy got them caught.

My point here is not about how random a rng is but the fact manipulation of any
rng is at their finger tips.There are many aspects to take into account other than we need to as players prove a site has manipulated a rng when infact this is the job of the poker site via independent unannounced audit that we are seeing randomness If you follow the link in my other posts there are many tests that can be run to prove this not all are hand history test.

There are test a average poker player can run for example record the flops
there are 16 face cards 36 non face cards over a thousand hands see if the face cards are flopped at higher average than non face cards this is great way to determine if site is using action flops.

This was a super-user, not a rigged RnG. And even one player cheating off you would make a swing in your data. If the RnG was rigged there would definitely have to be or the rig would be pointless.

Yes, they could rig it. Nobody has ever claimed otherwise. I spent most of my life armed and could have run around randomly shooting people. Life is full of things that can be done but aren't.

As for you test.. Gee, do me a favour. One, stupid test. And two you've clearly not done this test yourself or you'd be presenting that shocking proof.

Seriously you stroll in here in an underhanded way and expect to be heard out. Oh I just happened to see this thread and just so happened to have a bunch of fact and data to show you... All of which is suspect at best, and also shows a staggering lack of knowledge of the subject, or you are just purposely trolling.

Lets get something clear right off the bat here i fully expected to get flamed by the industry hacks here who suck off the hind tit of the industry with that said.

I to run poker forum I will not say which one but i will say this there will never be flaming of people who try to make poker better by posting what they believe or have experienced on online poker at my forum the tables are turning on this flame everyone who don't agree with you I am seeing sites drying up and if it keeps going the way it is they will be gone in very short time.

Despite all your data hand history and so on the fact remains most sites are what we call rouge no regulations at all.I just read news article the uk does not require any audits of their regulated poker sites rng.So lets keep it real why are these sites off shore ask players in chat they have no problem telling you right quick because they are crooks and this is the majority of players so you my friend are in the minority and that's the way it is.

This is my opinion I have played poker for 30 plus years and if the rng is the best the online poker industry has to offer the industry is in big trouble.I have played 12 -14 hours at a time live and have never seen the garbage flopped as what comes out of some of these rngs.When a good poker player is at disadvantge because he or she plays solid poker and gets beat time and time again by runner runner or boat over boat and straight over straight and flushs given at a high rate the game of poker is being mocked and the skill is being taken away in favor of bingo poker.

I for one shiver when I hear people calling online poker real poker I assume a bunch of the old timers roll over in their grave at such nonsense.

My favourite paragraph ever on this thread given the ones that follow it. I mean really, can you be more of a hypocrite?

You run a poker forum and come here to post about rigging. And no-one gets flamed there. First forum in history then for that. Your moderators must be busy all day or it's a very quiet forum. And we only flame those that come and make claims with ZERO evidence. Thoughts and feelings mean nothing to anyone. We are ALL players, and if there was proof we'd want it. But you are NOT helping at all. In fact you do HARM if anything.


D Sure, we are in the minority only because the majority of players are idiots with no clue about the game, losers, or normally both. Then they will usually look for the fastest reason they are losing despite the six books they read about playing the game. And well, rigging that would fit totally. Can't be their ability.... no. Thousands of people playing professionally online are all wrong.

Oh, and yes I noticed you blanked me on proving your OWN point to us. Ask us to look at it, but clearly can't prove it is wrong yourself. Oh, and I checked mine just for fun. It's fine.

I have to prove nothing poker sites have to prove they are not rigged just like regulated casinos in the usa untill they fall under the same regulations all players should assume they are not playing a fair game as they say back in the day the deck is stacked.

You can provide all the data you want to but the fact remains these sites are not regulated with strict regulations that would assure anyone of fair game and untill they do so your data means nothing you are beating a dead horse as they say and players are not all stupid as you say that just proves to me you love the industries hind tit every poker site can do better than they are and your 100 percent approval of the industry does nothing but harm the industry.

Been done many times, on large samples, and face cards flop less often than low cards. As they should, because players tend to see flops more often when holding high cards.