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09-16-2014 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
Proving it's rigged of course. You assume it is rigged right? Or you wouldn't be siding with them on the subject.

As for me answering you out of obligation. What obligation? So I'm employed by a poker site now as well? Must be awesome to live in a head so full of delusions.
That's up to you to decide. I didn't make any assumptions like you have been doing based on your assuredly many many many hours in this thread conversing. You have your mind made up. I am open minded.
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09-16-2014 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by notinmylifetime
That's up to you to decide. I didn't make any assumptions like you have been doing based on your assuredly many many many hours in this thread conversing. You have your mind made up. I am open minded.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Best troll ever.
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09-16-2014 , 10:18 PM
Not sure how I am a troll however if that is the case it seems we share a common trait
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09-16-2014 , 10:38 PM
You'd be wrong then. I am open minded, and have said on numerous times in my posts that I'd GLADLY see proof online poker is rigged as I'm a player. And why would I want to play in a rigged game? I don't believe 100% in very much, and so I always have xx% of doubt, because it is quite possible. However, not in the thousands of posts here has anyone given any proof. All they do is spout off that it is rigged but always with some wild theory with no evidence. Even those that try to show some won't listen when it is pointed out how wrong their numbers are. But few post anything other than random hands and expect the world to faint at the revelation.

So sure, I troll the idiots, but if someone makes a reasoned post even if it appears like it is another no proof riggie I'll answer it reasonably. For trolls why would I bother. Certainly when they run off and make other accounts to do it. I mean I'm sure you wouldn't do something so sad as that, but others do...
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09-16-2014 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
You'd be wrong then. I am open minded, and have said on numerous times in my posts that I'd GLADLY see proof online poker is rigged as I'm a player. And why would I want to play in a rigged game? I don't believe 100% in very much, and so I always have xx% of doubt, because it is quite possible. However, not in the thousands of posts here has anyone given any proof. All they do is spout off that it is rigged but always with some wild theory with no evidence. Even those that try to show some won't listen when it is pointed out how wrong their numbers are. But few post anything other than random hands and expect the world to faint at the revelation.

So sure, I troll the idiots, but if someone makes a reasoned post even if it appears like it is another no proof riggie I'll answer it reasonably. For trolls why would I bother. Certainly when they run off and make other accounts to do it. I mean I'm sure you wouldn't do something so sad as that, but others do...
LOL at you been open minded. You won't even consider the possibility that online poker is a scam enabled so Pokerstars can take your money.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
An odd pattern about riggies. They often want to hug men and purchase women as if they were a commodity that can be bought and sold. I am indifferent on yours or others needs in that regard as long as they do not violate any laws, but it is an interesting human behavior trait in your kind. When you speak to Donkeystars about the conspiracy about me more ask him about his history with Thai hookers if you want to research the purchase of women in greater detail.
We can all sense your bitterness that you don't get laid, even through the internet.

I'm up to 122 girls shagged now. What do your numbers look like, lol? I'm guessing low single figures at best.
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09-17-2014 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
LOL at you been open minded. You won't even consider the possibility that online poker is a scam enabled so Pokerstars can take your money.
Sure, given you numerous chances to back up your bull**** with proof troll. And you have the stats too.

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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
We can all sense your bitterness that you don't get laid, even through the internet.[
I'm up to 122 girls shagged now. What do your numbers look like, lol? I'm guessing low single figures at best.
American pie rule. So at least divide this by 3. And even if it was true, what kind of douchebag would A: count how many? And B: think it makes him a man to brag about it?

Award for lame brag goes too...
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09-17-2014 , 12:42 AM
Pretty sure DonkeyStars is leveling if not, god have mercy on him.
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09-17-2014 , 02:41 AM
Just passing by to say thank you to non - riggies and Monteroy specially , u guys really broke my major leak that was high % of tilts hitting me during sessions because of paranoia , thanks
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09-17-2014 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
Sure, given you numerous chances to back up your bull**** with proof troll. And you have the stats too.
I have provided proof from my database and posted hand histories here, you just remain blind to it.

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American pie rule. So at least divide this by 3. And even if it was true, what kind of douchebag would A: count how many? And B: think it makes him a man to brag about it?

Award for lame brag goes too...
Lol, swear on my life it's true, though I'm sensing you're quite bitter too. Probably got no more than about 5 yourself.
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09-17-2014 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
I have provided proof from my database and posted hand histories here, you just remain blind to it.



Lol, swear on my life it's true, though I'm sensing you're quite bitter too. Probably got no more than about 5 yourself.
Too bad blow-up dolls don't count. Sorry, idiot, someone should have told you before.
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09-17-2014 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars

I'm up to 122 girls shagged now. What do your numbers look like, lol? I'm guessing low single figures at best.
You are very short or very thin and entirely deluded.

You have napoleon syndrome.
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09-17-2014 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by notinmylifetime
Who's to say he doesn't? He has admitted to doing so to drive other threads in the past. The rhetoric here is deafening. The irony in this clip is enlightening. You're a shill, " A What?"
You missed my point.

If Donkey's assumption were correct (#posts is a reliable indicator someone is paid to post here) then the Monteroy account should have been abandoned years ago (regardless of what other accounts he may hold) and no paid shill should ever have a noteworthy amount of posts in this thread. Particularly since this argument has been used many times before (Donkey is not original).

If anything, a whole bunch of posts in this thread would be counter-indicative of being a shill. Unless someone's gone seriously second level. But that seems really unlikely due to A) Unnecessary overkill and management overhead - Riggies won't listen to any non-riggies, regardless of reputation, logic or argument so establishing someone's credentials as "not a shill" (many riggies think everyone is a shill anyway) is worthless and B) The riggy assumption that sites are idiots when it comes to implementing and disguising a rig (with easy to spot and prove rigs like too many monster hole cards, AA getting cracked way too often especially by KK, etc) so why wouldn't they also be idiots when it comes to astroturfing?

Of course, the entire line of reasoning ignores the fact that shilling this thread is obviously counter-productive if any site cares about "handling" this thread. Anti-riggies are routinely all that keep this thread going. Without them it often drops well past the front page. And the number of riggies educated by this thread is minute. Additionally, it's also clear that for the vast majority of riggies it doesn't matter how much they post here or whine about bad beats - They keep playing anyway.

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09-17-2014 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
I have provided proof from my database and posted hand histories here, you just remain blind to it.
Cherry picking individual data points that support your assertions is the very opposite of proof. If the deals are rigged against you, then that can only be proven by posting ENTIRE histories.

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Lol, swear on my life it's true,
You've already established yourself to be a liar with the whole email fiasco. Your oaths are worthless.
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09-17-2014 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
You'd all just say it was 'variance'. Yesterday, I had my ace high flush beaten by a straight flush. A STRAIGHT ****ING FLUSH. That's practically impossible unless the deal is rigged.
Impossible!
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09-17-2014 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
LOL, virgin detected. Or at least some guy who has been banging the same chick for years and is bitter about it.
Neither could be further from the truth. Though you act like a child in high school. How old are you for craps sake?

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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
You'd all just say it was 'variance'. Yesterday, I had my ace high flush beaten by a straight flush. A STRAIGHT ****ING FLUSH. That's practically impossible unless the deal is rigged.
Can happen. Will happen. Working as intended. How many times it happened to you? Once? In what 200k of hands by now?

I saw a guy post the other day where he had straight flush and lost to royal flush. So you think you saw rare. lol

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09-17-2014 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
You'd all just say it was 'variance'.
That's easy for you to claim.

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Yesterday, I had my ace high flush beaten by a straight flush. A STRAIGHT ****ING FLUSH. That's practically impossible unless the deal is rigged.
No, it isn't.

A straight flush is certainly unlikely, but impossible when you have the Ace? Hardly. It's even happened to me in a live game. I had the king flush, player to my left had the straight flush.

In another live game, I was dealt the Ah and my 2nd heart was exposed, so it got replaced with a non heart. I ended up hitting a 4 card flush on the turn against a player who had the king high flush with both hearts in his hand. I stacked him - hitting the 4 card flush with 4 hearts already faded (his 2, my 1 and my discarded 1).
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09-17-2014 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
LOL @ the commentary about not sure whether either player was concerned about the paired board. Sure, the nut flush might be but the straight flush has to be HOPING the other guy has a boat or a strong flush...
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09-17-2014 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
Yesterday, I had my ace high flush beaten by a straight flush. A STRAIGHT ****ING FLUSH. That's practically impossible unless the deal is rigged.
I would have loved to have seen the posting in here if you were villain in this spot, but since you admit you can't beat $2NL I doubt I'll ever run in to you at any time in any level

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Originally Posted by Knytestorme
    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $11.40 (114 bb)
    BB: $15.86 (158.6 bb)
    UTG: $10.27 (102.7 bb)
    MP: $20.13 (201.3 bb)
    CO: $10.77 (107.7 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $20.16 (201.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 T
    UTG folds, MP calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, MP calls $0.30

    Flop: ($0.95) 8 9 6 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $0.55, MP calls $0.55

    Turn: ($2.05) J (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $1.40, MP calls $1.40

    River: ($4.85) 7 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $8, MP raises to $17.78, Hero calls $9.78

    Spoiler:
    Results: $40.41 pot ($1.50 rake)
    Final Board: 8 9 6 J 7
    MP showed 4 3 and lost (-$20.13 net)
    Hero showed 7 T and won $38.91 ($18.78 net)
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    09-17-2014 , 11:10 PM
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    Originally Posted by scumbagsall
    ...when it comes to showing examples of a rigged deal, believe me.
    Can you point those out please? I must have missed them.
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    09-17-2014 , 11:23 PM
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    You must have figured out by now why monteroy, his helpers, his alias, mods, etc. spend half their life in a thread that they tell you doesnt mean anything, right? Posting does more harm than good when it comes to showing examples of a rigged deal, believe me.
    Just go with what you know, I know and thousands of others and run. Perfect example here. I play bitcoin poker. What happened just now as you know happens constantly. I clean a guy out of his $25 a couple of hours ago. A little while ago I play him heads up. Things are set to be evened out. After 2 hands the flop is a Q68. I have a QJ, a call his bet. Next card a 7. He goes all in with his big 6 dollar buy in. I call. He has QA. Sound familiar? Random, of course not.
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    09-17-2014 , 11:27 PM
    Did you just quote yourself and then respond as if it's a different person?
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    09-18-2014 , 12:20 AM
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    Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
    Did you just quote yourself and then respond as if it's a different person?
    Guess he forgot what account he was logged in on. That and moaning about taking $25 off a guy and then losing $6 to him in an all in that he was dominated in and behind at every stage.. Gee, poker tough game.
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    09-18-2014 , 01:34 AM
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    Originally Posted by scumbagsall
    As you see these "shills" work this thread daily by the minute hoping the casual reader will buy into their diversions.
    By the way, shouldnt you work on your "smoke and mirrors" responses? They really are getting old.
    Yes, yes and the riggies all post every day/minute (whatever) trying to convince the casual reader that all online poker is rigged - always based on zero evidence other than some random hand or two at best.

    You lot don't even have smoke. So why the hell would we need smoke and mirrors to make fun of you? Riggies stop posting utter rubbish with no proof what so ever and we will not bother to reply, though to be honest it would make more sense if we just left you to be ******ed with each other.

    Not to mention you avoiding fact you forgot what account you were on. Nice job.
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    09-19-2014 , 10:49 AM
    So, after the events of today we finally have ironclad evidence poker is rigged (we had it before too, but whatever).

    Pokerstars got worried about me attending the player meeting, because they knew when I requested data about ace high flops when a player holds KK, how often flush draws make it, and a comparison of hole cards and flops dealt amount players of different VIP status, the game would be up and the rig would be obvious.

    So now democracy has been cast aside to allow Pokerstars to keep the truth from the world.

    This is such an obvious cover up and it should make any poker player sick. If they had nothing to hide there would be no problem presenting their data for inspection.

    Rigged, totally rigged.
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    09-19-2014 , 11:32 AM
    You've never had cast iron, or any type of proof at all. As we have constantly pointed out.

    As for them releasing all those hands. What a total ******ed idea. You expect them to release millions of hands of data to you or anyone? They don't allow data mining out of hands you've not personally played but you think they should release a massive amount of hands just because some idiot is making stupid guesses. If you think these things are happening your own data would show it. No need to ask for them to show more.
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