Can't speak to all, but some do get regular audits. It is sweet that you think the US concern is just down to regulating them to be safe for customers. Next you'll be telling me that Iraq really was about WMD's.

I'm sure, much like the UK and next months change it has nothing to do with taxation and control of some of the pie for themselves. Though not living in US I don't care enough to check if that's the case or not. Could be other reasons to do with gambling in general too. I'll lay bets it's not all about protecting US people though.

Your posts are important to us.

Numbers of readers have asked what your above post is supposed to mean.

I'm not nit-picking. The way it's written is utterly meaningless and incomprehensible.

Please write it again so that we shills can understand your point and be able to explain politely that whatever way you think our sites are rigged is ridiculous and that you are a moran for misinterpreting whatever it is that you think you are seeing.

Then we can all collect our money for a job well done.

Thanks in advance.

I find your post to be right on point I find it Troubling the usa and the states have failed to require these sites to provide proof of what they say their product is and protect the consumer.

res ipsa loquitor does not , by any imaginative stretch of the definition, apply to the legitimacy of an online poker site's RNG. If you want to bring a civil case against a poker site for emotional or financial loss due to their faulty or fraudulent software, you will be required to prove that it is either faulty or fraudulent.

I'm no lawyer, but I remember little gems like this and I am 100% confident in stating that it has absolutely zero relevance to this topic.

I have already posted I am a strict free roll player in the course of a tourney I was playing I noticed a large amount of aces being flopped so I opened my note pad while playing I recorded these hands of poker in the tourney i was playing these cards were all flopped face cards plus the face cards in the losing and winning hands these hands were in consecutive order as you can see I did not get to see complete flop on some hands.

hand 1 aaakq

hand 2 aaqaj

hand 3 aj

hand 4 aj

hand 5 aqaaqq

hand 6 ajj

hand 7 aj

hand 8 qq

hand 9 aqaj

hand 10 qqj

hand 11 qkjaa

hand 12 ak

hand 13 qkqa

hand 14 ja

hand 15 k

hand 16 akqjqk

hand 17 j

hand 18 ajqqj

hand 19 ajaak

Are you familiar with the term "ironic"?

I'm no lawyer either but via common sense Once a lawsuit was brought the powers of subpoena,deposition would go into effect the court would order about 5 years hand history and independent audit of all software and rng then he may very well up hold a motion for res ipsa loquitor.

One does not have to prove his case just to get a lawsuit the proof comes in the process the very fact these sites do not already provide proof their site is what it says would weigh heavy on any jury.

Sorry, but this is gibberish still to me. Anyone else understand it?

You need to post it like this or similar or it is us guessing what you mean.

Hand one: Losers Hand: AQ. Winners hand: AK. Flop: A49

Or...

Winners hand AK
Losers hand: AQ
Flop: A49

And so on. Otherwise it is us trying to work out what you saw and what you mean. Your short hand doesn't read to us. Or at least not to me.

Also, I think without working it out the odds are about 24% of seeing an ace on the flop. And again your sample sizes are going to be **** and pointless as before. But riggies will tell you it is 100% chance if you have KK.

Pure nitpicking as I stated the high amount of aces being flopped I do assume you can count it is really all the brain power you need here or does that strain you if so I will spell it out 25 aces dealt in 19 hands maybe that will help you .

No, we really don't understand what the **** you are talking about.. it is nonsense to us. I have hard time reading a lot of your sentences, but assume you are not a native English speaker. Though I'd still love the odd punctuation mark at times.

This really hurts your cause here at this site the average person will see that the industry hacks will result to the lowest levels if they do not have the facts they will do anything to belittle a post or poster so keep up the good work I am sure you will be rewarded.

It's hard to have a conversation about the deal with someone who has absolutely no concept of what should normally be dealt and how often.

I strongly suggest that you sit with a deck of cards and deal out 9 players and a board all face up for a few hours. That way, even though you don't understand any of the math you will still have a better sense of what is normal.

Seriously!? We cannot help it if you are hard to understand. Your notes on the hands make sense to you because you wrote them down. We would have to make guesses as to what is a flop and what is supposed to be someone's hand.

As to my comment on your punctuation. Come on man even in the post above you have one paragraph with one capitol letter, one full stop and one wrong word. The wrong word could be a typo or excused if English is not your first language, but the lack of punctuation around sentences?

If you take offence from the truth then I'm sorry, and also if you have some learning disability too, but the truth is the truth. I make enough mistakes myself as I don't bother to proof read my posts that often, but some of yours can be tough to read at times.

As to evidence. I answered it in an edit above. Your sample is ridiculously small. The odds of seeing an ace are VERY high in a freeroll where every donk will play rag aces and hang on for too many streets. It's not even a very low percentage for seeing one on the flop with none accounted for.

this is just stupid i mean there is been suspicious and I can understand that. I don't believe its rigged and i make money though not enough from online poker.

However sure I have had horrible streaks where it seems like you can predict it and everything is going wrong I doubt its rigged but when I am going through a period like that it sure as heck feels like it.

So i can emphasize with some people that think it may be rigged thats not saying it is i dont believe it is but i can see why you may think that way.

However it then gets to border line psychotic theories.
eg stars or other sites paying people to post here or having there employees post here in disguise to try maintain the there image and discredit you.

the idea that Daniel Negreanu who makes millions a year is personally drawing up an email to write to you specifically to try and get you to deposit again what like your $50 deposit I can imagine Daniel saying oh heck I'm running behind on my email schedule to donkey stars thats $50 I that could be deposited on stars to rig against him, screw it I am going to have to cancel my tournament which would be worth X thousands + EV to me.

SERIOUSLY? REALLY? YOU ACTUALLY SERIOUSLY BELIEVE THIS STUFF REALLY????????????????

I don't say this lightly and I am actually 100% serious I think you need to seek processional help as it appears you have a mental illness I truly hope you get the help you need.

Still a bit unclear.

So the boards in one tournament were:

hand 1 aaakq

hand 2 aaqaj

hand 3 ajx

hand 4 ajx

hand 5 aqaaqq ???

hand 6 ajj

hand 7 ajx

hand 8 qqx

hand 9 aqaj

hand 10 qqj

hand 11 qkjaa

hand 12 akx

hand 13 qkqa

hand 14 jax

hand 15 kxx

hand 16 akqjqk ???

hand 17 jxx

hand 18 ajqqj

hand 19 ajaak

?

One more time I recorded all face cards that hit the board I recorded the face cards in the winner and loser pockets as well.

hand 5 aqaaqq ??? these was the face cards that hit the board plus the faces in winner and losers pockets that's why you have 6 recorded.

At last!

So you saw these cards shown in one tourney?

I think you might have brought the whole house of cards down with this revelation.

The site made a big mistake when they were taking their rake up front, and therefore could have turned on their true RNG - as it would make no difference to their earnings - but instead they decided to end the tourney five minutes earlier in the hope that the players would enter another tourney and pay more rake?

Greedy bastards.

Thank you for the HU.

It was a freeroll.

I think I stated that whats the difference when a site flops hands like that how can anyone uphold it is beyond me this is common at this site all day long they flop these kind of hands.

I don't know what the site is. Don't much care given the evidence either. We have repeatedly told you that your sample sizes are TOO SMALL to matter. It's like flipping a coin ten times and saying something is wrong because you got ten heads in a row.

You need to be around 100k-150k hands to get variance down to below 1% roughly. So posting 20 hands or 150 hands is just pointless from a statistical point of view. You might be able to say how many of x and y you should be likely to see in 150 hands, but doesn't mean you will in a small sample.

Won't comment on frequency of ace's or face cards in your example as like I said there is no point in that size of a sample. Study more on math I'd suggest.

I am sorry I disagree when these are common flops anyone can experience at this site that any lay poker player leaves shaking his head I have 30 years experience playing poker I know when alls not right in denmark as they say.

Just while I was posting here I recorded these six hands at random.

akajj=aq=kkj=kqqjkaj=k=jjaaq

I would like to see all poker players record these and post them it gives you a bigger picture.

We need to know the site.

Then others can give their sensible numbers to prove that his observations were worth mentioning.

The network is the winning poker network THE SKIN IS AMERICAS CARDROOM

wow! thread explodes
Monte gonna Monte
Donkey gonna Donkey
Another 5 bucks to me
I wish
back to my hand, back to my hand

I am not quite sure how to translate hands into your AKJ-9-7==3=qj= gobbledygook, but I observed a spin and go on Stars, a $30 one which at the time had the highest prize pool, and here is every hand that saw a flop, so you can look at it and say if it follows whatever you are even trying to say.


All the hands have numbers so if you really want you can request them to verify them.


1) PokerStars Hand #123729680979: Tournament #1016081788

*** RIVER *** [9c 7d Ah 6h] [2c]


2) PokerStars Hand #123729717670: Tournament #1016081788,

*** RIVER *** [3s 4s 9s 2c] [Ks]


3) PokerStars Hand #123729736431: Tournament #1016081788

*** RIVER *** [4s Jd 7d 5d] [7c]


4) PokerStars Hand #123729748657: Tournament #1016081788

*** RIVER *** [Tc 4s 7d 6s] [Ks]


5) PokerStars Hand #123729759739: Tournament #1016081788

*** FLOP *** [9h Tc 5s]
Hepsi0815: checks
poker0495: bets 40
Hepsi0815: folds


6) PokerStars Hand #123729773273: Tournament #1016081788

*** TURN *** [5s 6d 5h] [4h]
Hepsi0815: checks
poker0495: bets 120
Hepsi0815: raises 528 to 648
poker0495: folds
Uncalled bet (528) returned to Hepsi0815
Hepsi0815 collected 480 from pot



7) PokerStars Hand #123729782957: Tournament #1016081788

*** RIVER *** [Tc 6d 2c Td] [3s]


8) PokerStars Hand #123729790830: Tournament #1016081788, $28.80+$1.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2014/10/22 21:13:41 ET
Table '1016081788 1' 3-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Hepsi0815 (1030 in chips)
Seat 3: poker0495 (470 in chips)
Hepsi0815: posts small blind 20
poker0495: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Hepsi0815: calls 20
poker0495: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ah Jh Kc]
poker0495: checks
Hepsi0815: bets 40
poker0495: calls 40
*** TURN *** [Ah Jh Kc] [3h]
poker0495: checks
Hepsi0815: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ah Jh Kc 3h] [2s]
poker0495: bets 160
Hepsi0815: raises 160 to 320
poker0495: raises 70 to 390 and is all-in
Hepsi0815: calls 70
*** SHOW DOWN ***
poker0495: shows [3c Kd] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
Hepsi0815: shows [5h 4c] (a straight, Ace to Five)
Hepsi0815 collected 940 from pot
poker0495 finished the tournament in 2nd place
Hepsi0815 wins the tournament and receives $300.00 - congratulations!



Feel free to explain how this fit your theory or if it did not you can feel free to explain why it did not!


All the best.


Edit to add: I guess it will not apply because it is Pokerstars and not the Winning network, and if so I can properly categorize you as the Stars is not rigged, Winning is rigged Riggie. Currently I just called you


=qkqa=ja=k=akqjqk=j=ajqqj=ajaak= Riggie:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=72957


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