Yikes on the Bitcoin sites given the value of Bitcoin has steadily dropped about 60%+ this calender year. Those games better be soft due to the currency rake!

Anyway, that guy's trolling which had some potential, has gotten much worse in quality. A person has concerns about Betfred and online casinos and he trolls that Pokerstars has called an army in response. He is not even trying anymore, and has managed somehow to become more boring.


Do some research into this industry and you will find that companies like Betfred do not program the games themselves, rather they license the software, so that can create a situation where an established company creates a level of consumer trust in a product (the software) that they had nothing to do with its creation.

This is again where being vigilant is smart, and that person in the referenced link was just that, but the next step is determining if this is all an evil plot by a company like Betfred or if it is more a case of sloppiness. Riggies always believe in sinister plots, but many times these glitches happen, and they do not always happen in favor of the casino.

A couple years ago there was essentially a glitch in the Will Hill video poker software where a single game (4 handed jacks or better) had a different payout schedule than all the other jack or better games, and combined with a monthly $1,000 bonus this created a situation where a player had an EV of about $950 per month per account (multiple accounts were allowed). My team made 6 figures on that before they eventually corrected the situation.

Common sense is always a valuable tool in this industry, and you will see in this thread many examples of paranoid behavior which ironically distract people from using actual common sense, and as a result they become even more vulnerable to being exploited.

The drop in part is because it bubbled just before the calendar year. 1 full year ago it was at around $100 per btc.

But it IS a volatile currency - that's absolutely true.

I asked a simple question Monteroy, what could the regulators do if a poker site was rigging the RNG? Why do you have to answer every question with a pathetic wall of text that strays away from what I am simply asking?
Oh and as far as my posts got more 'boring', i'll ask you to view the many of your god knows how many posts over the last 8 years ITT and then come back to me and say my posts are boring. Have a good day sir

I was not talking about you. If you follow the thread's conversation properly you will determine which user the boring comment was actually about. Hint, my comment was a direct reply to EvilGreebo, so if you read his post that will give an idea of which user is the boring one. Another hint, it is not EvilGreebo.

Your hypothetical has yet to happen, but if it did then it depends on the regulator. Some do nothing about anything, while others yank licenses when appropriate. If somehow the site was not some throwaway site then likely the community would do quite a bit of damage to a site that was caught, much like how 2+2 helped destroy UB/AP.

All the best.

Sorry yes my apologies, didnt read properly

We've been through it before, and again yesterday. We've made it clear we don't work for poker sites. Please stop using lies to try and add weight to whatever rig of the week - you personally come up with lots - you are trying to pass off as fact, despite not one jot of proof.

We don't get e-mails from any site other than 2+2 as you well know. Anyone can get email notification to a thread you post in on a regular basis, and that is hardly some secret conspiracy.

Yeah, could be. I never like to assume which part of my post has them confused though. More so as not sure that was all one post either, though didn't check. Looked like parts of more than one.

Since Pokerstars and the mods have disappeared so has this thread. A coincidence only I am sure. The two go seemingly hand in hand. Pokerstars runs this forum and manipulates the discussion here. Sadly that too is exposed with the silence. SHoulda let this drop to page 10.

Pokerstar's and mods? One, they don't post in here, or rarely in the case of the mods. The rest of us only post in here when some guy with a rig theory posts. And to suggest the silence in here has anything to do with poker sites is hilarious. If no riggies post why would we post in here? To discuss why we don't think it's rigged? What a waste of breath that would be.

Said it before, without us posting in here this thread would be one riggie post per month most likely on average.

Who is "us"?

I'd say without question pokerstars individual(s) can control the outcome of individual hands if need be. I am no conspiracist. I think it's up to the site to prove otherwise. As we all see from a multitude of issues pokersites have one interest only, making and insuring profits and trying there best to control where and how the money comes and goes. What better way than to control the RNG.

25,000-100,000 hands are dealt every minute (depending on the time of day). How many individuals do you think are needed to watch and control all of those hands? How much do they get paid? How come none of them have ever told the secret? How do they know if someone will time out/fold because they are in the bathroom? Answering these questions will help you strengthen your theory, so I hope they are a help in that regard.

This thread always dies when the shills ignore it. Riggies are pretty boring creatures when left by themselves, and they really need shill attention to thrive, so perhaps this post will give you a little boost that you need!

Remember to quit all forms of poker. They are watching...

All the best.

Because controlling the RNG in such a way that no-one with stat tracking software spots it would be difficult I'd think. I mean are you suggesting they manipulate it, but that some how the stats show up still as expected statistical values over a fair sample size? Hell, if they can do a rig that still works as expected random values should, that's pretty impressive, but seemingly unneeded too.

Why do they have to prove it? And how do they prove it to your satisfaction?

Okay, you're not into conspiracies but jump right on to "who are we?". Duh, well other forum members. No, you don't sound at all paranoid.

just 1. it is data from trek next gen

There we go. Up and running again

I am always glad when I can help a riggie feel like they have accomplished something. I look out for your kind. Remember to quit all forms of poker.


All the best.

Oh wait, let me give them the best rig theory ever. Pokerstars (or other) has used it's millions to create the worlds first true AI (which they are keeping secret of course), which they us as their RNG controller, and it is able to use any and all rig ideas at random because it is able to see and do all.

ITT: people who still think companies will risk losing billions in revenues by cheating their customers out of a few hundred bucks.

There are no coincidences. This thread is so rigged.

I'm on neither side of the fence. I just threw out a statement to watch the same guys flock to it after 2 days of inactivity. You never initiate, you just pounce on anything to do with the rng. It's really sad and funny. Carry on

I have over a 9$ profit margin over 2500 tournament span, with close to 80% roi at a 30$ average stake online which, as you know, is very difficult to sustain success. With a 13% late cash % on OPR, 2% higher than very good. The higher the stake the higher my rating. I won't be quitting anytime soon. And this is part time, with no HUD or helping software.

I do not state online poker is rigged, I state I believe it is possible, maybe probable on some small scale. Where money is involved corruption to some degree always exists. No set amount of profit is ever enough.

Of course it is possible. None of us here have ever said otherwise. Online poker hardly has a spotless track record after all. The fact is that with millions of people playing online on the big sites that allow stat tracking no-one has come up with any proof so far of any rig. And bear in mind the super-user one was caught by users looking at HH after they were suspicious of a player.

So the question is not if they can rig it. Because of course they could do, it's their software. But they risk losing absolutely everything if they are caught doing it, and a rig of the RnG is the most likely thing to get spotted to be fair.

We are players too. If there was a rig, do you think we wouldn't care? Of course we would, but not going to point fingers and say it is just because they could do it.

There is a whole lot of companies we choose to or have to put our trust in if we decide to do business with them. And the fact is choice. If choose not to then great, but it's the ones that point fingers and say it is rigged with no proof that are annoying.

You came here and made asinine statements. You were called out. Thats your evidence that the members of this forum are controlled by Pokerstars, a site that many of us cant even play on and couldnt give a **** less about?

The posts you made were idiotic. That is why you got confronted when you posted.

The end.

100% incorrect.

What do you expect people that don't think it's rigged to initiate? They probably don't feel compelled to post things like "I had another good week on the tables, RNG seems to still be on the up and up".

I am aware that there have been posts since this and you have exposed yourself as a sad individual who only wanted to reengage "discussion" here.

That said:

http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/Cor...53d%253d&nt7=0

and

http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/Cor...53d%253d&nt7=0


And by now, everyone should be aware that Amaya Gaming has bought PokerStars. I don't know their full name (Amaya may be a trade name) or state of incorporation so I won't give a link as I did above.

But I mean, just doing a few searches should be enough to satisfy you that the owners of 2+2 and PokerStars are completely different people.