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09-14-2014 , 11:02 AM
OK OK, Ill let you guys alone to do your jobs and try and keep the suckers on the tables, trying to convince them its a random deal, but its so fun to see the effort and hours daily for years you guys put into this and especially how quickly you respond.
Alarm go off when someone posts?
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09-14-2014 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Does he have Rigmaster as his title on his business cards?
Do you have 'Rigged Thread Monitor' on yours?
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09-14-2014 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by scumbagsall
OK OK, Ill let you guys alone to do your jobs and try and keep the suckers on the tables, trying to convince them its a random deal, but its so fun to see the effort and hours daily for years you guys put into this and especially how quickly you respond.
Alarm go off when someone posts?
Yes, it is a really technical one called "e-mail notification" and goes off when someone posts a new post. So if I'm at computer anyway I hear it. Shocking revelation huh?
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09-14-2014 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
Yes, it is a really technical one called "e-mail notification" and goes off when someone posts a new post. So if I'm at computer anyway I hear it. Shocking revelation huh?
LOL, shocking? No quite expected.
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09-14-2014 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy

What would you say to the people who believe one buy in level is rigged, but not another on the same site?
OK, Ill play.

As we both know, since the rig is by individual, it doesnt matter what buy-in level you play, if its ring game or tourney, OR what seat you chose. If the software is set to have you win money, and you play at least a half ass game, you will make money. If its set to get profit back, you will lose your money, even if you play an A+ game.
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09-14-2014 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by scumbagsall
OK, Ill play.

As we both know, since the rig is by individual, it doesnt matter what buy-in level you play, if its ring game or tourney, OR what seat you chose. If the software is set to have you win money, and you play at least a half ass game, you will make money. If its set to get profit back, you will lose your money, even if you play an A+ game.
And yet despite the fact this rig would show up in peoples stats as abnormal to expected values no-one has yet spotted it. Odd.
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09-14-2014 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
I've analysed my 888 database, and my conclusion is that 20nl is not rigged, but 30nl is rigged.

My winrate at 20nl is a solid 8bb/100, but my winrate at 30nl is just 2bb/100. This can only be explained by rigging.

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As we both know, since the rig is by individual, it doesnt matter what buy-in level you play, if its ring game or tourney, OR what seat you chose. If the software is set to have you win money, and you play at least a half ass game, you will make money. If its set to get profit back, you will lose your money, even if you play an A+ game.
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My theory makes much more sense.

Seems you two need to talk it out to better organize your confusing, conflicting riggie theories.

All the best.
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09-14-2014 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by scumbagsall
OK OK, Ill let you guys alone to do your jobs and try and keep the suckers on the tables, trying to convince them its a random deal, but its so fun to see the effort and hours daily for years you guys put into this and especially how quickly you respond.
Alarm go off when someone posts?
So I guess that means you had no response to this?

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
So the way to avoid any rigs is to basically play on a mobile device or an IP address shared by many computers (like in a University)? That seems pretty easy! Seems weird that the sites are pushing so hard for mobile device use when that thwarts their rigging. That should make the Rigmaster annoyed that his job could become outdated!
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09-14-2014 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
I'm sacrificisng my companies time which of course means nothing to me.

http://youtu.be/2SoWNMNKNeM
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09-14-2014 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
And yet despite the fact this rig would show up in peoples stats as abnormal to expected values no-one has yet spotted it. Odd.
You didnt try very hard here you know. Stats will show wins and losses. What is there to spot that would be unusual? Just use your favorite word "variance" and its all good.
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09-14-2014 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by scumbagsall
You didnt try very hard here you know. Stats will show wins and losses. What is there to spot that would be unusual? Just use your favorite word "variance" and its all good.
Depends if my effort was aimed at getting your reply, which it was. So, basically what you are saying is that Stars rig the game so that you win and lose in such a manner that matches up with expected statistics? So in other words they've rigged it to be random. How devious of them.

And by stats there are LOTS of them that have expected odds. Just as how many times you should see AA dealt to you, How often you should hit a set. How often you make a draw. And all of those can be tracked. So yes, if you lose against expected odds it is just variance. I've had a boatload of bad-beats this month so far, but just because people have made a bunch of hands at the river doesn't make it rigged. Doesn't matter if they had 50% chance or 2% chance to make that hand. Over the long-term those stats will go to expected values. Over a few hundred or even thousand you can get smacked in the face with the wrong end of it.

The fact is poker is a game of long-term results, but most casual players don't see it, and no rigged theorist sees it. They see a few bad beats or a losing streak and instantly it is rigged. Even though it wasn't rigged on their winning streaks.
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09-14-2014 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by scumbagsall
You didnt try very hard here you know. Stats will show wins and losses. What is there to spot that would be unusual? Just use your favorite word "variance" and its all good.
What's the rule on banned posters opening new accounts. Are they allowed to do it as long as they don't start misbehaving again? Do I need a specific complaint to report them?
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09-14-2014 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
What's the rule on banned posters opening new accounts. Are they allowed to do it as long as they don't start misbehaving again? Do I need a specific complaint to report them?
If they say or make it very obvious who they were, they will be banned. If they keep saying who they were, they may become "ban on sight".

Generally, each new independent account lives or dies on its own merit. I suppose if an account has been banned for trolling and a new one continues to troll, similarly, it is likely to be banned whether or not a direct connection can be made.

I think we all realise that scumbagsall is on a very short leash, and it would probably be in everyone's best interests to ignore most of its posts.
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09-14-2014 , 07:19 PM
Essentially he needs to be more blatant?


Personally I like how his unchanging approach shows how even riggies get outdated very quickly in the industry.
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09-14-2014 , 07:41 PM
why on earth are you chaps still responding to Donkeystars, the most obvious troll account in the histroy of the internets?
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09-14-2014 , 08:20 PM
Monteroy are you still trolling this thread daily after all these years with your friends. If this is not the ultimate example of trolling I don't know what is.
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09-14-2014 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by notinmylifetime
Monteroy are you still trolling this thread daily after all these years with your friends. If this is not the ultimate example of trolling I don't know what is.
Gee, you might as well just have posted, "This is my xxx account but I'm going to continue like it's not."
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09-14-2014 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
Gee, you might as well just have posted, "This is my xxx account but I'm going to continue like it's not."
As pointed out by a very smart person in the Pokerstars meeting thread this forum has an agenda. Unfortunately if you are on the other side of the fence you get demonized while the daily lifers in this thread can post for years daily spewing the agenda'd side of the coin with no ramification.
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09-14-2014 , 08:55 PM
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Monteroy are you still trolling this thread daily after all these years with your friends. If this is not the ultimate example of trolling I don't know what is.
Well, not daily, but people like you tend to exaggerate when needed. I certainly have not posted a serious post in this thread in a long while, and it is relaxing trolling riggies (especially the ones that try to be trolls themselves). I toss in some shots to the less interesting shills as well, who need to lighten up.

I tell them I am trolling them, but they still bring up my meaningless OPR out of their frustration, so as long as they continue to amuse me I will do it, and I make no secret about that agenda, because hard wired riggies always follow an easy to exploit pattern in their thinking, as is evident by the replies I get from them and even the reactions from people like you (who no doubt got trolled in a past posting account and is still a bit bitter). Feel free to tell us which was your past posting account as disposable gimmick accounts like this latest one of yours are really boring and show a complete lack in confidence. If it helps, feel free to ask me about my watch...


All the best.
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09-14-2014 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Well, not daily, but people like you tend to exaggerate when needed. I certainly have not posted a serious post in this thread in a long while, and it is relaxing trolling riggies (especially the ones that try to be trolls themselves). I toss in some shots to the less interesting shills as well, who need to lighten up.

I tell them I am trolling them, but they still bring up my meaningless OPR out of their frustration, so as long as they continue to amuse me I will do it, and I make no secret about that agenda, because hard wired riggies always follow an easy to exploit pattern in their thinking, as is evident by the replies I get from them and even the reactions from people like you (who no doubt got trolled in a past posting account and is still a bit bitter). Feel free to tell us which was your past posting account as disposable gimmick accounts like this latest one of yours are really boring and show a complete lack in confidence. If it helps, feel free to ask me about my watch...


All the best.
No need to post the defensive rhetoric sir, I can go back every 4-6 pages to see why you post here for as long and frequently as you do. Next to make yourself feel better, show me how many days I have had my account, 2, the number of posts, 5, the % in this thread and come to a conclusion. Allt he best
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09-14-2014 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by notinmylifetime
As pointed out by a very smart person in the Pokerstars meeting thread this forum has an agenda. Unfortunately if you are on the other side of the fence you get demonized while the daily lifers in this thread can post for years daily spewing the agenda'd side of the coin with no ramification.
Smart riggie. Oxymoron for sure. I thought the forum agenda was poker, but whatever. As for the thread. What do you expect? Rig rants with zero evidence. Boring, and never going to be taken seriously.
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09-14-2014 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by notinmylifetime
No need to post the defensive rhetoric sir, I can go back every 4-6 pages to see why you post here for as long and frequently as you do. Next to make yourself feel better, show me how many days I have had my account, 2, the number of posts, 5, the % in this thread and come to a conclusion. Allt he best
Thanks for being so easily trolled, even after correctly identifying me as a troll in this thread, and my openly stating I troll people like you in this thread. If you ever muster the courage to say what your past posting names have been here that is fine. If not, no real difference as you do not really matter other than a quick bit of amusement, before this gimmick account of yours fades away (unless I can draw it back a couple times with routine trolling).

Feel free to expand on your little 2+2 conspiracy manifesto as well. You know, with all the demons and coins and such.

All the best.
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09-14-2014 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Thanks for being so easily trolled, even after correctly identifying me as a troll in this thread, and my openly stating I troll people like you in this thread. If you ever muster the courage to say what your past posting names have been here that is fine. If not, no real difference as you do not really matter other than a quick bit of amusement, before this gimmick account of yours fades away (unless I can draw it back a couple times with routine trolling).

Feel free to expand on your little 2+2 conspiracy manifesto as well. You know, with all the demons and coins and such.

All the best.
You sound angry
You sound condenscending
You mad bro?
You need a hug bro?
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09-14-2014 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by notinmylifetime
You sound angry
You sound condenscending
You mad bro?
You need a hug bro?
Worlds most ironic post? Could be.
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09-14-2014 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by notinmylifetime
You sound angry
More bored then angry, was hoping you would be more of a challenge with the obvious trolling, but I am not surprised with the result.

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You sound condenscending
I am better than you, we both know it.

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You mad bro?
I believe the proper use of this is "U Mad Bro?"

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You need a hug bro?
I am fine, but no doubt can find other men on the internet fairly easily for your needs.

Thanks for playing along as I knew you would, but anon gimmicks are only worthy of limited trolling and attention. No doubt I frustrated you quite a bit with your previous posting accounts given your posts and reactions here, but that is your problem. We can continue this if you ever find the courage to post under your real account.

You can have the last word if you prefer if that makes you feel better, and be sure to vote again in the poll as the riggie side needs all the multiple gimmick support it can get.

All the best.
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