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12-10-2014 , 10:30 AM
can you put the gtd up on the $55 1k, (130gmt) smashes it every day. this will grow loads if you give it the chance
12-10-2014 , 10:53 AM
How about the sickest phase mtt yet?

Day 1: 11$ buyin for 300 chips, blinds start at 1/2 with 15min levels.
Day 2: qualify from day 1 and keep your stack, or buyin for 3000 chips at 109$. Blinds at 20min levels.
Day 3: qualify from day 2 and keep your stack, or buy in for 30000 chips at 1050$. 30 min level blinds. Could run into the next monday if field gets large enough.

Run day 1 twice a day, run day 2 every sunday (twice, with the option of registering for either if you want to include non-eu regions) with the epic conclusion at the end of the month of day 3. Every other month. Or every month, alternating between different games.

1/2
2/4
3/6
4/8
5/10 ante 1
6/12
8/16 ante 2
10/20
15/30 ante 3
20/40 ante 4
25/50 ante 5
30/60 ante 6
40/80 ante 8
50/100 ante 10

day 2

10/20 ante 2
20/40 ante 4
30/60 ante 6
40/80 ante 8
50/100 ante 10
60/120 ante 12
75/150 ante 15
100/200 ante 20
120/240 ante 25
150/300 ante 30
200/400 ante 40
250/500 ante 50
300/600 ante 60
350/700 ante 70

day 3

200/400 ante 40
250/500 ante 50 etc

Last edited by Soepgroente; 12-10-2014 at 11:06 AM.
12-10-2014 , 10:58 AM
Add $1,050 general ticket or Thurs Thrill ticket to fpp store please.
12-10-2014 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
The hour between the b5 and b75 is pretty meh. maybe do something with the 16.50 8max or add another comp somewhere.
+1

Plz look into adding something this hour, literally the worst hour of the day, not a single tournament to play for a midstakes grinder.
12-10-2014 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Transcendence
MAKE PHASE 1 A NON BLOODY SATELLITE.. Come on seriously. We miss it all the time because it's a satellite. Surely this is a very easy fix.. How many people need to ask before you pander to this tiny request? It's mutually beneficial, you will make more rake of us. I mean it's incredible you haven't done it yet after months of us asking..

Cheers Bryan

The strong tone is only because I am exhausted mentioning the same thing repeatedly. It needs to be done now!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex0r
this.

i play the big 11 every single day and i have never played that phase2 tourney because its not in the lobby...
If someone will explain the problem to me, I'll look into it. What, exactly, is the issue?

Quick note, by the way... the $215 Omaha variants are back on the schedule. They start 2 hours before the $82 variants of the same type, so the $82s function in a way like 2nd Chance tournaments to the $215s... that was a good idea, I think... we'll see how it goes. Satellites to the $215s will appear shortly. We're also planning to send out an email to those who have played in the $215s from about September onward, letting them know that the $215s are back. As for the structures, they have the same structures (including late registration timing) as the $82s. We continue to be open to modifying the blind structures, so please keep the feedback coming there. Thanks again for the discussion on these tournaments, and in fact all of our tournaments... it's much appreciated!
12-10-2014 , 11:51 AM
why are almost half the knockouts 6-max and more importantly why is the main event a 6-max ?? when did 6-max became the most popular format?
12-10-2014 , 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
If someone will explain the problem to me, I'll look into it. What, exactly, is the issue?

Quick note, by the way... the $215 Omaha variants are back on the schedule. They start 2 hours before the $82 variants of the same type, so the $82s function in a way like 2nd Chance tournaments to the $215s... that was a good idea, I think... we'll see how it goes. Satellites to the $215s will appear shortly. We're also planning to send out an email to those who have played in the $215s from about September onward, letting them know that the $215s are back. As for the structures, they have the same structures (including late registration timing) as the $82s. We continue to be open to modifying the blind structures, so please keep the feedback coming there. Thanks again for the discussion on these tournaments, and in fact all of our tournaments... it's much appreciated!
Like I mentioned before the structures of the NLO8 and PLO8,PLO are different. The NLO8 has the slow (omanias, Bigs) structure, while the PLO8 and PLO do not.

I asked if this difference was on purpose due to the presence of antes on NLO8 but was never answered.
12-10-2014 , 12:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by roscoe91
why are almost half the knockouts 6-max and more importantly why is the main event a 6-max ?? when did 6-max became the most popular format?
Of the 37 MTT in KO week there is not even 1 Prog SKO 9max regular speed, I think the focus is more toward 6max
12-10-2014 , 12:29 PM
There is no problem bryan, just a lot of filter-noobs itt.
12-10-2014 , 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
If someone will explain the problem to me, I'll look into it. What, exactly, is the issue?
I marked the phase1 as a 'Favorite' tournament but it doesn't show up in my Favorites tab. So I always miss it because I'm hardly ever in the Main Lobby tab.
12-10-2014 , 12:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajei
Like I mentioned before the structures of the NLO8 and PLO8,PLO are different. The NLO8 has the slow (omanias, Bigs) structure, while the PLO8 and PLO do not.

I asked if this difference was on purpose due to the presence of antes on NLO8 but was never answered.
I suspect that the issue is that the NLO8 was written approximately 8 years after the PLO and PLO8, meaning that when it was written, it got a new structure from scratch, and the structure in favor at the time was that of the daily Bigs. I'll take a look at the Omania structures for PLO and PLO8 and see if the Weekly $82s and $215s could benefit from using the Omania versions.

Edit: one issue there, of course, is that the Omania structure, while deeper... is meant to be played with 10-minute levels. If it's used in the $215s, with 15-minute levels, it could be interminably slow.
12-10-2014 , 12:55 PM
The hour between big 8 and big 22 is completly dead aswell, add something there!
12-10-2014 , 01:06 PM
Pls get rid of replays from the mtt lobby, they should have a separate tab for them
12-10-2014 , 01:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by anuj22
Pls get rid of replays from the mtt lobby, they should have a separate tab for them
You must know you can filter them out or exclude them yourself right?
12-10-2014 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gollyheck
You must know you can filter them out or exclude them yourself right?
Oh I just checked the filter didn't know we could also exclude replays. Thanks for that
12-10-2014 , 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
I suspect that the issue is that the NLO8 was written approximately 8 years after the PLO and PLO8, meaning that when it was written, it got a new structure from scratch, and the structure in favor at the time was that of the daily Bigs. I'll take a look at the Omania structures for PLO and PLO8 and see if the Weekly $82s and $215s could benefit from using the Omania versions.

Edit: one issue there, of course, is that the Omania structure, while deeper... is meant to be played with 10-minute levels. If it's used in the $215s, with 15-minute levels, it could be interminably slow.
We've decided to go with the Omania structure in the Weekly PLO and Weekly PLO H/L, both $82 and $215. Given the 5,000 starting chips, we're going with 12-minute levels, and we'll see how that plays out for a while. I can tell you that the switch makes the structure much deeper. For example, after three hours... before: 500/1,000... now: 300/600. Enjoy, and let me know what you think after playing this coming weekend.
12-10-2014 , 01:32 PM
Answer to the "fix the kickoff structure" requests?
12-10-2014 , 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BryanS-PS
We've decided to go with the Omania structure in the Weekly PLO and Weekly PLO H/L, both $82 and $215. Given the 5,000 starting chips, we're going with 12-minute levels, and we'll see how that plays out for a while. I can tell you that the switch makes the structure much deeper. For example, after three hours... before: 500/1,000... now: 300/600. Enjoy, and let me know what you think after playing this coming weekend.
Thanks, will post some feedback after.
12-10-2014 , 02:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krulle37
Answer to the "fix the kickoff structure" requests?
I was just about to post on this, in fact... after having just re-deployed three Sunday Kickoffs and two Sunday 2nd Chances.

250/500 (a50) has been inserted at Level 12 in the above mentioned tournaments.

After quite a long look at the structures of the Bigger $109 and the Kickoff (as mentioned above), I noted that the Kickoff structure is in fact quite deeper than the Bigger $109 for the entirety of both tournaments. However, there was a point in the Kickoff structure where there seemed to be a "choke point" of disproportionately high numbers of eliminations, where the average BB per player dropped too sharply. That point was at level 12. I believe that easing the transition from Level 12 to Level 13 by adding the 250/500 (a50) level will smooth things out. I hope that players enjoy this change.
12-10-2014 , 02:34 PM
Good work Jdawg et Al, and of course Bryan.

Did I misunderstand a post recently that you were adding an $82 NLHE mtt?
12-10-2014 , 02:41 PM
yay for bb500 in the kickoff
12-10-2014 , 02:48 PM
Hey Bryan,

Thanks much for the added level in the kickoff, Rounder and I were always bitching about T500 specifically, so glad the data you looked at matched what we were bitching about .

I'm glad to see the $215 omaha variants added back into the rotation, but I feel that they start too early. I completely understand your thoughtwave on the lower bi's being like a 2nd chance, but the problem is that there aren't many mid-hs regs that are playing at this hour and I feel the field sizes of the 215s would be much larger if they were actually 1-2 hours after the $82s, so I think they would be better if they were flipped.

My reasoning is going to sound cliche, but it's also true. It's not 2010 or any time before that anymore, there's not INF traffic/rec pool, games run around regs, especially once you get to higher stakes. A $215 buyin, especially being a non holdem variant, is going to lead to a whole lot less midstake regs playing in it (I'm talking the MTT regs who play up to ~ the Big 162/big afternoon $109 turbo but not bigger mon-fri), and will have very few low stake regs in it. So you think about who will fire this tournament, it's a lot of mid-hs regs who flick in other games like this, myself included in this category. I know I made a post a few days back talking about how bare the early morning schedule is for mid-hs players, so I don't need to go through it again, but there's absolutely 0 reason for a mid-hs mtt pro to be playing before the Big 75 (and honestly as I said many don't start before last min late reg of the 265ko and then jumping into the 109rebuy, many more start with last min reg 109rebuy and getting in the Big 109). Anyway, what I'm getting at is you need to take a look at who will be playing in these tournaments and when those players tend to start playing, I think all 4 tournaments will bequite successful as is, but I think they could do better if they were flipflopped and the bigger bis started where the smaller ones currently start.

I do like that these games are in the morning though as it's quite hard to mix other formats with a bunch of nlhe mtts (idk how you do it fresh_oo_d u sicko!), so it being early in the day should mean more people firing those tournaments compared to if they started during the middle of their sessions. I personally don't think I've ever played that late morning my time (PST) 6max NLO8 tournament that takes place on Saturday because I have too many tables at that point and don't mix formats well, but I play the early morning PLO and PLO games quite often, all of which are 9handed, and I HATE 9 handed omaha games. Oh and obviously thanks for the structure update in the PLO versions, have a strong dislike for the old one and and looking forward to playing all 4 tournaments tomorrow!

Edit: I don't know much about PLO cash traffic, but I have dabbled in 200-1kplo a bit this year and I feel pre Big 75, there's really not much going on most of the time in terms of PLO cg action. This further supports the argument that more regs (cg regs I'm talking about this time and not mtt regs obv) would have the opportunity to fire this tournament if the big versions started when the little versions currently start.

Last edited by slayerv1fan; 12-10-2014 at 02:55 PM.
12-10-2014 , 02:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
i'm gonna assume the guys who are having trouble seeing the phase 1 in the main lobby are using "tourney -> all" with sattys filtered out, rather than "tourney -> regular -> all" with sattys enabled
wow thank you so much for this

spent my whole life on trny > all lol, feel somehow mindblown

as far as bryan understanding what the issue was, this fix sums it up basically - a lot of people probably use the all view with filters on, and satellites filtered out because if u dont filter them out the lobby is hideous but i guess the 'regular' heading already filters out all the sats, so if u enable sats in ur filter there u see the normal, uncluttered lobby + phase 1 trnys
12-10-2014 , 02:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soepgroente
How about the sickest phase mtt yet?

Day 1: 11$ buyin for 300 chips, blinds start at 1/2 with 15min levels.
Day 2: qualify from day 1 and keep your stack, or buyin for 3000 chips at 109$. Blinds at 20min levels.
Day 3: qualify from day 2 and keep your stack, or buy in for 30000 chips at 1050$. 30 min level blinds. Could run into the next monday if field gets large enough.
nice, so all the micro stakes guys get to play against a thousand midstakes+ regs who buyin for $1k to play this super soft field.
12-10-2014 , 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdawg91
Hey Bryan,

Thanks much for the added level in the kickoff, Rounder and I were always bitching about T500 specifically, so glad the data you looked at matched what we were bitching about .

I'm glad to see the $215 omaha variants added back into the rotation, but I feel that they start too early. I completely understand your thoughtwave on the lower bi's being like a 2nd chance, but the problem is that there aren't many mid-hs regs that are playing at this hour and I feel the field sizes of the 215s would be much larger if they were actually 1-2 hours after the $82s, so I think they would be better if they were flipped.

My reasoning is going to sound cliche, but it's also true. It's not 2010 or any time before that anymore, there's not INF traffic/rec pool, games run around regs, especially once you get to higher stakes. A $215 buyin, especially being a non holdem variant, is going to lead to a whole lot less midstake regs playing in it (I'm talking the MTT regs who play up to ~ the Big 162/big afternoon $109 turbo but not bigger mon-fri), and will have very few low stake regs in it. So you think about who will fire this tournament, it's a lot of mid-hs regs who flick in other games like this, myself included in this category. I know I made a post a few days back talking about how bare the early morning schedule is for mid-hs players, so I don't need to go through it again, but there's absolutely 0 reason for a mid-hs mtt pro to be playing before the Big 75 (and honestly as I said many don't start before last min late reg of the 265ko and then jumping into the 109rebuy, many more start with last min reg 109rebuy and getting in the Big 109). Anyway, what I'm getting at is you need to take a look at who will be playing in these tournaments and when those players tend to start playing, I think all 4 tournaments will bequite successful as is, but I think they could do better if they were flipflopped and the bigger bis started where the smaller ones currently start.

I do like that these games are in the morning though as it's quite hard to mix other formats with a bunch of nlhe mtts (idk how you do it fresh_oo_d u sicko!), so it being early in the day should mean more people firing those tournaments compared to if they started during the middle of their sessions. I personally don't think I've ever played that late morning my time (PST) 6max NLO8 tournament that takes place on Saturday because I have too many tables at that point and don't mix formats well, but I play the early morning PLO and PLO games quite often, all of which are 9handed, and I HATE 9 handed omaha games. Oh and obviously thanks for the structure update in the PLO versions, have a strong dislike for the old one and and looking forward to playing all 4 tournaments tomorrow!

Edit: I don't know much about PLO cash traffic, but I have dabbled in 200-1kplo a bit this year and I feel pre Big 75, there's really not much going on most of the time in terms of PLO cg action. This further supports the argument that more regs (cg regs I'm talking about this time and not mtt regs obv) would have the opportunity to fire this tournament if the big versions started when the little versions currently start.
Now that you mention this there also the need to take into consideration the sats for the $215, those would be starting way earlier then.

Maybe consider putting back the $215 on their original time slot and the $82 2 hours after that ?

      
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