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12-08-2014 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by gollyheck
It's in the normal lobby for me.
oops, i meant phase1 isn't in the lobby. i have seen phase2 there but when i open it there are never satty's (guessing they stop them an hour or so before it starts).
12-08-2014 , 12:19 AM
Have your replay of the thrill sho the Prog ko....
12-08-2014 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex0r
oops, i meant phase1 isn't in the lobby. i have seen phase2 there but when i open it there are never satty's (guessing they stop them an hour or so before it starts).
I see phase 1, too.
12-08-2014 , 02:48 AM
i'm gonna assume the guys who are having trouble seeing the phase 1 in the main lobby are using "tourney -> all" with sattys filtered out, rather than "tourney -> regular -> all" with sattys enabled

Last edited by Asjbaaaf; 12-08-2014 at 02:57 AM.
12-08-2014 , 04:16 AM
I have tourney, regular, without satellite selected and see phase one and no actual satellites.
12-08-2014 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by theMBK
If you're going to hike hyper-turbo rake to the point where it's currently unbeatable, maybe we could see a little change to these structures as well; at least for say $25+. PokerStars.fr has always charged 5% rake on hypers, but has structures that make up for this (10k starting chips etc).

I had a go at proposing a new structure. I stretched out an extra level or two because I came up with the idea that with the proposed structure you could offer 30 minutes late reg which means more runners/rake for you.



If you don't like my structure or a structure in this vein, at least consider doing something like this for specifically the Sunday Supersonic.
Any further thoughts on this Bryan?
12-08-2014 , 10:40 AM
+1

I think its a great idea to add a few levels into the hypers to help balance out the increase in rake
12-08-2014 , 11:30 AM
Has there been any impact on the prizepool/no. of entrants of hyper fo tournaments after they increased the rake?
12-08-2014 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by anuj22
Has there been any impact on the prizepool/no. of entrants of hyper fo tournaments after they increased the rake?
some gtds of the 5$ ones were lowered 500$-1k$
12-09-2014 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rounder63
Both those REbuys Where big until they randomly loWered the guanrtee or no reason. They both proceeded to shrink. The 11r Was enormous too, so pathetic.
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Originally Posted by DBerglin
The late 11r 25k used to be 40k gtd and never had any overlay, it were lowered in the summer because of the wsop/world cup, the tourneys gtd promised to get raised after that...If you dont do something about it, they slowly get smaller..we play everyday, we see it.

Make it red and put a 40k gtd again and you will see it get alot bigger.
That one was 80k Gtd back in the days boys!!! Seriously, Stars/Amaya don't like the rebuy tourneys because they don't get rake on rebuys/add-ons. They prefer to lower the gtd's for no phucking reasons and spread the difference in plenty of other random tourners so it makes them more profit on the long run... They basically take people for idiots that are clueless about these changes. The $20 Cube, all $5 Quads and other rebuy tourney are now jokes comparing to what they were before. Only winners at the end? STARS

Last edited by numberonepat; 12-09-2014 at 04:19 AM. Reason: #WEWEREPOKER!
12-09-2014 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by fivetypes
Stars are massively over compensating for a new tax bill in certain large playerpool countries, and bringing in raked rebuys in the new year.

Its likely gonna cause a noticeable reduction in field sizes and guarantees in them (and will hopefully decimate them). So pushing to add new ones doesn't seem like the way to go.
This also make sens alot. Asking for new tourneys all the time will make some others die.... I've never really understand people in general asking for NEW TOURNEYS like this would not affect anything in the actual schedule... I think that the best would be to remove some gimmick ones and try to bring back the rebuy tourneys to what they were.
12-09-2014 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by rounder63
Yeah fire a 215 reg speed freezeout and def run etc
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Originally Posted by ferdilicious
it will be as withered as the 320 6m if its not labeled red
this...
12-09-2014 , 01:58 PM
numberonepat's past 2 posts are spot on imo.
12-09-2014 , 02:13 PM
Early Antes:


There is really no reason why all (or the majority) tournaments shouldnt have antes from the start. Obviously live we dont have this because having all these tiny chips would be slly, but online this is not the case. Is there actually a good argument against not doing this? I'd even argue the 10/20, 15/30, 25/50 levels should be 20% antes for every tournament.. it gives everyone a reason to play pots.



KO hour:


Day 2 of this KO week and i really love it. I usually am all for the regular red freezout that has a big gtd and brings all the fish. But you can only have so many of those and all of these KO tourneys seem fun and are attracting big fields.


So i am suggesting 1 or 2, "Knockout Hours" that consist of some KO tourneys of diff variants in the $11-$109 BI range. Mainly turbos but maybe one solid reg speed. One KO Hour starting around the 265 KO and one sometime after the B162 giving a real nice reason for people to reg through the nightly.. Id make them a diff color than the typical reds.



Running it more than once:


Why dont we do this? I think fish would love the idea of having more sweats and more chances to stay alive. it also helps lower variance a bit. Another cool addition to this idea is that i thought we can use the Spin and Go spinner that would determine whether we run it once, twice, or three times. Can easily market this as some big Run It Red tourey



Featured Table:


K this is a long shot but maybe someone can get an idea from it. I was thinking that just like live, some tournaments can use a featured table. It becomes a diff color... there is some online team pro commenting on a stream and whole cards of everyone are delayed. Again something stars can market or even use in their poker school thing




k thats all i got, any of these sounds appealing (was just brainstorming a bit)
12-09-2014 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by fivetypes
I hope they die because stars is charging an exorbitant amount extra to the countries (raked rebuys) where the extra tax is being introduced

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=708



Basically just massively screwing a whole bunch of people, not just UK, Germany, Denmark and others IIRC because they can, and passing it off as some justifiable charge. Which it appears it is not.

So yeh I hope they all die a death and Stars reconsiders charging players a reasonable amount rather than taking the opportunity to grab a load of cash.
I was fully aware of this but rebuys are still great for everyone else. Long live rebuys!
12-09-2014 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gollyheck
I was fully aware of this but rebuys are still great for everyone else. Long live rebuys!
well the only UK players in most rebuy tournaments will be those who are either unaware of, or don't understand, the nature of the charges. If that turns out to be enough of a % to make it a profitable move for Stars, you can bet they'll soon roll it out across the whole site. And it'll be another indicator that simply increasing rake or inventing new ways to charge players continues to be a +EV policy for the site, so plenty more innovative rake hikes will follow.
12-09-2014 , 02:54 PM
That makes sense obviously but I'm not sure what you are implying? Should ROW boycott rebuys now as a preventative measure or something?
12-09-2014 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by burnJa
+1

I think its a great idea to add a few levels into the hypers to help balance out the increase in rake
or how bout the rake just goes back down to match the current structure, rather than introducing "pretty hypers"
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Originally Posted by anuj22
Has there been any impact on the prizepool/no. of entrants of hyper fo tournaments after they increased the rake?
prize pools down
12-09-2014 , 03:06 PM
It isnt only the uk players getting raked on rebuys
12-09-2014 , 03:08 PM
About the micro series on PS.fr: one more time, you only include MTTs that finish after 3 AM. You may ignore it, but PS.fr is used by european people, and people often sleep at night. Why dafuq do you NEVER include a single tourney in your series that end before 3 AM ? Even the hyper turbo MTTs begin late enough to end after 2AM. This is so fkg dumb.
12-09-2014 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gollyheck
That makes sense obviously but I'm not sure what you are implying? Should ROW boycott rebuys now as a preventative measure or something?
no, it's kind of irrelevant what the rest of the player base does on this one (as long as there isn't a huge spike in demand for some reason lol). The best result would be for very few of the players from affected countries not to play them as it would at least send a message that when unjustified price rises are introduced, a significant number of players will refuse to pay and revenue can actually be adversely affected.

It's unlikely though. Take the $1.65r 3xt sats to the million as an example: My ABI in these things is around $13, of which only 15c is rake, so in the new year if me and 50 other UK regs all stop playing them Stars will lose $7.50 rake per game. They'll get that back with interest as long as there are more than 5 hapless idiots still playing them and paying $1.50 rake each as every bullet is raked.
12-09-2014 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by burnJa
+1

I think its a great idea to add a few levels into the hypers to help balance out the increase in rake
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Originally Posted by 22riverrat22
or how bout the rake just goes back down to match the current structure, rather than introducing "pretty hypers"
thats never going to happen though. All we can hope for is some kind of compromise like adding a few more levels to help the regs
12-09-2014 , 04:13 PM
$215 super tuesday second chance 120k guarenteed, starts as soon as 1k exits late registration. 1 taim.
12-09-2014 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
no, it's kind of irrelevant what the rest of the player base does on this one (as long as there isn't a huge spike in demand for some reason lol). The best result would be for very few of the players from affected countries not to play them as it would at least send a message that when unjustified price rises are introduced, a significant number of players will refuse to pay and revenue can actually be adversely affected.

It's unlikely though. Take the $1.65r 3xt sats to the million as an example: My ABI in these things is around $13, of which only 15c is rake, so in the new year if me and 50 other UK regs all stop playing them Stars will lose $7.50 rake per game. They'll get that back with interest as long as there are more than 5 hapless idiots still playing them and paying $1.50 rake each as every bullet is raked.
This is all very obvious. It just seems we are talking with different purposes haha.
12-10-2014 , 10:13 AM
The hour between the b5 and b75 is pretty meh. maybe do something with the 16.50 8max or add another comp somewhere.

      
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