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12-04-2014 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by felixvdp
Turn the 3pm Big 162 into the 3pm Big 215, and drop the 330pm 215 2nd chance on sundays from the schedule, watch the 162 6m at 4pm get huge
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12-04-2014 , 09:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by felixvdp
Turn the 3pm Big 162 into the 3pm Big 215, and drop the 330pm 215 2nd chance on sundays from the schedule, watch the 162 6m at 4pm get huge
horrible idea.

btw, how many runners did the Thursday 1k get?
12-04-2014 , 10:09 PM
440 42k for first (remember half the prizepoool is to kos)
12-04-2014 , 10:23 PM
30 minutes after the big 16.50 for low mtts is a 5.50 time tournament perhaps change that to a 13.50 ko deep stack or Psk, the 2-3 hours after big 16 for lows is pretty withered

Also could you consider making the 13.50 ko that runs before the big 16 3000 chips and slap a guarantee on it.
12-04-2014 , 10:29 PM
500 bb in this 109 six max be nice =(
12-04-2014 , 10:46 PM
****ing loved the thursday 1k, will start to playThursday's too from now on, if the structure stays the same. Amazing structure, amazing action and just a fantastic tourney, GJ!
12-05-2014 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by masterxcvt
Great add with the Thursday Thrill.... also please end the addon at the end of BB10k and not 12k. ... thank you bryan.
Thanks! I'm glad that it's done so well on it's first night. As for the 3x-Turbo and 2x-Turbo structures, I'm taking a look at those tonight before I head to bed.

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Originally Posted by 2012
****ing loved the thursday 1k, will start to playThursday's too from now on, if the structure stays the same. Amazing structure, amazing action and just a fantastic tourney, GJ!


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Originally Posted by pokerproplaya08
btw, how many runners did the Thursday 1k get?
440 players. $42,218 to 1st place (half of the prize pool goes to knockouts) With 7 players left in the field as I write this, the biggest bounty on someone's head right now is $11,121.09... it's an exciting final table! Dare I say... Thrilling?
12-05-2014 , 12:13 AM
Any response to these 2 posts Bryan? I'm trying to be more constructive in my posts itt lately so semi annoying when I get ignored. Actually legit curious on the figure in my first quoted post because I might just be wrong

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Originally Posted by jdawg91
Bryan,

How many of these raised guarantees were in non red/'special' $20 and above tournaments (freezouts, rebuys, cubes, quads, etc, just looking for anything with a bi of $20+). The $27 psko with a 1k guarantee that was killing guarantee by 10-20x daily doesn't count and neither does the $55 you finally slapped a (1k) guarantee on. I want an answer where you don't skew the answer completely in your favor.

I dislike how you and other Stars reps like to twist around words on the forums so that it favors/defends/whatever PS, but I would like to say thanks for becoming more involved in the MTTc threads in the past week or so; felt like we went a fairly long time where you and Baard where just kind of MIA/pop in once every few weeks with a simple post that didn't really address anything. To me personally, even if the changes being made aren't what I want, I appreciate these threads being acknowledged and would assume most ppl share the same feeling.

Also yea, no T500 in the kickoff is obnoxious, plz fix that (would like to have it added in all the tournaments its missing in)
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Originally Posted by jdawg91
Bryan, for the love of god, can you fix the Kickoff structure. If any Sunday red tournament should have extra levels, it should be this one as it starts so friggin early and therefore it doesn't matter as much if it takes a bit longer than normal. Even without taking that factor into account, this midgame structure is just so f bad compared to your other red, regular speed offerings that it's actually absurd. Please add AT LEAST 250/500, preferably another one or two of the missing levels as well imo.

From left to right: New $1k psko structure, Bigger 109 structure, Kickoff structure
12-05-2014 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jdawg91
Any response to these 2 posts Bryan? I'm trying to be more constructive in my posts itt lately so semi annoying when I get ignored. Actually legit curious on the figure in my first quoted post because I might just be wrong
I have to repeat myself on this one from time to time: I don't ignore any posts. I don't answer every post... doing so would be a full-time job in and of itself, and my main job as it applies to 2p2 is interacting with the forum in the process of building great tournaments, both in the regular schedule and in our championship series... but I read every single one, and usually jot a note or two down from the ones which contain considerable content. For example, from one of the posts you quote above, there is a note on my list of pending items:

"19. examine & consider fixing the Sunday Kickoff structure (faster than the Bigger $109? Really?)"

As for your other question, I'll take a look at that right now, since you've asked. As I mentioned, in the guarantee evaluation performed on 25 November 2014, 20 guarantees were raised. Of those 20, 10 were branded (painted red and in Tourney/Special) and 10 were regular tournaments with guarantees. Interesting... it wasn't planned to be an even split, but that's how it came out. I'll also note here that guarantee evaluations are carried out all the time, and that we're happy to raise guarantees whenever it's feasible to do so. The 'build it and they'll come' philosophy on guarantees does not work, it's not sustainable... we know that... but when a tournament's performance indicates that it's time for the guarantee to go up, we're more than happy to raise it.

Thank you as always for participating and providing feedback.
12-05-2014 , 12:26 AM
Yea yea I'm sorry, having a bad day on the tables and getting a bit aggressive in my posts . Obviously even when I'm 'hating' on you or posting negatively towards something you say, I'm still appreciative that you, Baard, etc take part on the forums and do take our feedback into consideration. I've also def said that before, even when I've gone round and round with Baard in STTF, but yea, I definitely appreciate that you guys have a forum presence.

As I said, I'm legitimately curious on my first question and obviously don't have entire schedule memorized w guarantees, so will be interesting to hear more


And yea, @ structures, srsly the kickoff needs a massive overhaul and T500 should be added to the tournaments missing it imo. The night time $109 fo, the one that goes 6m/9m rotation, is missing it as well and I think would be much more smooth with T500
12-05-2014 , 12:41 AM
early saturday/sunday deepstack akin to Le Triopmhe on Stars.fr Deepstacks are ready to blow if you put them in the right place. Hour after the kickoff $33 or $55, 10/15/20k guarantee will get smashed.
12-05-2014 , 12:46 AM
2-7 single draw need some love. 8.80-11r and 22-33fo peak time would give it just that.
12-05-2014 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FreeThinkMX420
early saturday/sunday deepstack akin to Le Triopmhe on Stars.fr Deepstacks are ready to blow if you put them in the right place. Hour after the kickoff $33 or $55, 10/15/20k guarantee will get smashed.
agreed

time for a few more MTTs to become or new mtts to be introduced as red MTTs. Doesn't necessarily have to be a TON more, but doesn't need to simply be the same bigs/hots either.

Adding a few more $33, 55, 75, 82, 109, 162, 215, hell, even a red $320, a red 10r, 3r, 5r, 20r, 33r, all those would do well imo.
12-05-2014 , 01:38 AM
Daily red $109 "thrill" psko would be nice, maybe a bigger one for sundays.

Do something about the rebuy mtts too, just by making them red or calling them anything would make them grow..Just look how popular stars.fr red rebuy tournaments are.
12-05-2014 , 03:31 AM
How much playing around was done with the split in the PKO's? Its probably been discussed when they came out but I missed it

Why was the 50/50 split decided? I've always kind of looked at them and wished they were 60/40 or 70/30 a little, but its not something I've given much thought to, but watching the 1k today and seeing guys beat similiar fields to the ST and win 50%~ of the money seemed a little disheartening
12-05-2014 , 03:39 AM
The guy that won got over 80k which was two thirds of ST which had 50% more entrants.
12-05-2014 , 03:57 AM
ah yes he did, was thinking he got 60k

I might compare the FTs later tonight, but it was just more of a thought as to why 50/50 was decided on, thinking there could be an interesting reason behind it
12-05-2014 , 04:06 AM
Red Rebuys
12-05-2014 , 05:26 AM
Pls add a 50+50+9 = 109 little Thursdsy Thrill. Would b huge as most midstakes players struggle to add a weekly 1k psko to their schedule..

the 13:00 $22 should be changed to the "Little 22" (following an hour after the Big) and throw a 20k guarantee on it instead of the current 10k (which usually gets up to around 20 anyways)

Put a little 109 with 30k guar next to the hot 75 at 14:30

Change the 10k 55$ at 17:00 to the Little 55 with 20k guarantee

This would ensure that those tournaments are huge which they should be and everyone wants more reds/special tourneys, more importantly in the midstakes range.. For example I play the hot 16.50 turbo whenever I fire up a session because it has a huge guarantee and it's easy to notice in the lobby. However, I rarely find myself playing the other 16.50 turbo because they are so easy to gloss over while regging the more important tourneys.. If u label it the little 16.50 with a real guarantee, I snap reg it.. Obviously it might not work with all tourneys but certainly with a few I would imagine.

Definitely red rebuys.. I mean that one should be obvious to you guys..

Last edited by Transcendence; 12-05-2014 at 05:35 AM.
12-05-2014 , 05:37 AM
If we are making propositions for a red rebuy, a red 10+R an hour before big 75 would fit perfectly.
12-05-2014 , 06:59 AM
I doubt they are going to create red rebuys where (after Jan 1st) around 70% of the field only pay rake on their first entry, they would likely be red re-entries. If I wasnt going to be having rebuys raked after jan 1st and they weren't re-entries then I'd think they were great but thats unlikely.
12-05-2014 , 08:08 AM
Actually turning the early 5r and 11r into RED's would make alot of sense; price pools would increase dramatically and therefore it would give incentive for players (UK?) who have to pay rake for rebuys to actually do it. Win-win situation imo (although obviously never optimal if rebuys are raked).

Could also copy some other great things from .fr as suggested, mainly an early mid-stakes deepstack on Sundays and a low/mid-stakes RED daily hyper.
12-05-2014 , 11:02 AM
Make 45 Man 90 Man PKO AND SKO Sngs.... Start them 3k starting stacks .. Be nice to throW the Sng people u thre under the bus a bone...
12-05-2014 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ontemu
Actually turning the early 5r and 11r into RED's would make alot of sense; price pools would increase dramatically and therefore it would give incentive for players (UK?) who have to pay rake for rebuys to actually do it. Win-win situation imo (although obviously never optimal if rebuys are raked).

Could also copy some other great things from .fr as suggested, mainly an early mid-stakes deepstack on Sundays and a low/mid-stakes RED daily hyper.
Both those REbuys Where big until they randomly loWered the guanrtee or no reason. They both proceeded to shrink. The 11r Was enormous too, so pathetic.
12-05-2014 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by rounder63
Both those REbuys Where big until they randomly loWered the guanrtee or no reason. They both proceeded to shrink. The 11r Was enormous too, so pathetic.

The late 11r 25k used to be 40k gtd and never had any overlay, it were lowered in the summer because of the wsop/world cup, the tourneys gtd promised to get raised after that...If you dont do something about it, they slowly get smaller..we play everyday, we see it.

Make it red and put a 40k gtd again and you will see it get alot bigger.

      
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