you need to get over this one buddy ,i have explained it and been clear

he did not directly break the rules.he made threats to.which gave me two choices.go mad at him and just carry on (i did this )or drop him in make up.

i felt backed into a corner .should i have gone of on one?...no .should he have made threats to not move down ,no ?

we where both in the wrong there ,simple as that

it was a tough spot for me.then weeks later when he lost money at stakes i did not want him to play i would get even more angry

thank you for no name calling this time.

you have had many problems with me in the past.fair enough,i could link many times when i have posted and you have just come in and called names etc.(thank you for not doing it this time)

and sorry to say that is the case with a few people in this thread.there has been backers that don't like me and former horses that i have dropped or players i did not take on post some unfair and harsh stuff here

does that mean they are wrong ?no ...but some are and some are going over board

you need to break it down what i exactly did.

i did not scam anyone ,i did not hurt anyone physically.i was rude to someone,at one point very rude

did i do this for nothing ? no of course not,the op writes in the his op "i was no white angel"...why would he write that ?

did he scam me ? no

you saying i am all so bad etc like you have always done and should not be trusted etc etc is interesting.because when i run a last longer you sent me over $800

to a guy you don't like and don't trust and he is a mad man ,wow ...i would NEVER dream of sending money to a guy like this

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=22

yet you and 130+ 2+2ers send me a large amount

to answer you question about people posting in this thread.of course right now i cold get tons of current and past horses to post here .why ?

for them to say they did not have or do not have a problem with me ?waste of time,this current problem I do have a problem and that is all that matters here

i have had tons on skype pms saying 2+2 is giving you a way to hard time on this, it is 2 one sided, unfair etc etc .but what ever ,that is life

you do need to sit back and look at what has really happened here.my horse did cause problems ,he admits that.i went mad and went over board,i admit that .

that is all ,nothing more nothing less.of course i made threats to out him and family.the neg feed back thread is full of it.he went missing and would not send my money back (see the post where he admits he was holding it)

when you have a problem with a horse and they go missing it normally means what ?

so i made threats to out him ,that is all...not to kill ,not to kill or eat his children and wipe out his country etc etc and all the other nonsense some have blown this up into

hopefully for the last time ,lol

just to highlight why i got so angry on the subject of the breaking rule comments etc and why that has come up so much here ...

he wrote this in his first post in this thread...



as you can see he admits it was a scare/convince move.that is really wrong in my view and angered the hell out of me.

and later down the line it would come up and again after more money was lost and we would have the same problem and i would get even more angry (he was losing money in games i did not want to play)

and yes maybe i should of dropped him ,but i gave in and went with it

but look at how MAD some have got in this thread.the name calling and the abuse has been unreal from some

yet they are doing it because i was name calling/abuse .but my reason was good imo.the above spot plus other problems where tough to deal with.i know i was wrong ,as so are many of the poster in this thread for there abuse

but we are human and sometimes react in the heat of the moment

no one got hurt

no family got contacted

threats where made both ways

it takes two to tango as they say

trust isn't the issue. the fact of the matter is, you're a dick. and that's not meant as name calling I'm just stating the truth. you also appear to be a legit psychopath. like truly... you need help. it's like argent beef said earlier, it's the same as if you have a heart disease, you would obviously get help for that. same way you should seek help for your mental health issues.

anyways, now that you've gotten your way you seem to have calmed down. but i sincerely and strongly urge you to seek help asap.

I don't think people read your repeated walls of text. The problem is, that it seems like you only changed your stance because you see that your business is in danger. Unfortunately I find it hard to believe that you'll change after this thread. You kept doing this for years and all of sudden got huge backlash which you didn't see coming and hardly accepted that you were in the wrong so now you're trying to desperately save yourself. I'm also in favor of banning you (and I believe this is likely to happen) to prevent further people associating with you and being forced in tough situations. It's not good that your stable makes $75k/month and you get a sizable chunk of it with the way you are.

And please go to psychologist/psychiatrist. Good luck in your life.

again name calling ,but what ever

"psychopath"...did you read anything i wrote ?

i was in a tough spot and got angry with some insults...he got angry to with insults

that was all ,lol...nothing else happened ,no one died.the insults here are just as bad

are we all psychopaths now ?

anyway buddy ,lets not have it between me and you ,point taken but i disagree .i am not that bad and i doubt you would ever send money to a "psychopath"

From what I can see Demetri realises he was in the wrong, and hopefully he won't talk to his horses like that anymore. There is no need to make it personal in the poker business. Demetri I hope you solve your anger issues and try to think of the consequences to your actions in the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

Youre just ignoring the fact that countless reputable posters that have nothing to do with you are ALL giving you the same message.

You are a bizarre person.

But your earlier posts said he did, so you haven't been clear and have blatantly lied.

interesting that you still claim you are here for the good of 2+2 and the op and you don't troll me and you don't hate me from when i rejected you yet ...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

Sorry Steve ^^^

geez y'all at it already.. Lol u guys ever sleep?


4 more posts and I can make the wall of shame.

3 more to go!

And yes I do dislike you intensely mate. Which is amazing considering ive never met you. Despite what your peanut sized brain is telling you its because youre a foul person.

Anyway, congrats on damaging your business and reputation so extensively. I feel proud I had a small part in it.

wow. just wow. Those chat logs are disgusting, blackmailing and threatening to contact his family calling him a **** dad etc. when he hasn't scammed anyone, so out of order, possible bordering on illegal? The craziest thing is people are still posting in his thread seeking staking! Are people really that desperate?!

this is kinda getting boring now ...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=654

sorry again for not taking you on

lol, obviously i didn't know then what i know now! But i'm doing just fine thank you x

amazing, not a single argument from any of the posters has been addressed.

everytime someone comes with something, presents some arguments - demetri always does background checks on them and goes from there. that's some dedication, lol.

edit: I'd almost forget: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

edit2: I think I'm getting one as well

Demetri, Your apology would of sounded alot more legitimate had you not said "you were asked to apologize". It may of sounded better if you simply just said im sorry for my behavior in all of this and if i could take it back I would.

I really feel for anyone who joins your stable in future, it is not up to me, but if it was, You would be banned from advertising staking on this forum as I think it is criminal to allow people to get into something potentially so torturous and for a long length of time. You may cause a mental break down on someone if you havent already or even worse.

Quite frankly its disgusting, everyone makes mistakes and I believe in 2nd chances, but when it comes to your business I dont, however its not like in future i would jump down your throat or hold a grudge in regular threads. You just should not have this much control over people in a working environment....it doesnt work.

I think we've been pretty lenient in this thread about letting people express themselves on both sides as long as those shots are accompanied by some earnest attempt at offering value, but posts like this are useless and unacceptable. Future posts containing nothing but insults and piling on will be deleted and infracted. The world will carry on without yet another person contributing a content-free post parroting the sentiment that demitri is a bad dude.

demetri, have you ever treated/talked to ur horses in a similar manner before? Do u find it to be an effective way to motivate people? or was this a one off thing where u "had a go" at someone?

Seems to me that its quite a foolish way to approach anyone in any field....did u really think saying all of those things, telling him hes a bad father and cant win at poker, would help him with his game?

I have a feeling that this wasnt the first time, i also get the feeling that youre an abusive person by nature and hope u dont have a family/wife/children to take your frustrations out on.

He's cool with everyone else. Oh except that one time where he threatened to have a guy killed then make the dead guy pay for the hitman:

^^^ Ive now read 3 threads were its basically a copy and paste of all those disgusting threats made to each of them. Jokerous thread, now that guy may well have stole and ran, i say that because he just ignored the thread demetri started, BUT, Demetri talked the same way to him so im not surprised.

Personally, i would feel very worried for any present and future stakee's who will join him. They are trading him their most important assets in life: Name, address, passport, facebook, emails. He basically has them by the balls. Not a good look imo. 2+2 seems to be perfectly fine with that though, they have allowed him to continue his hyper threatening aggression here.

I just know, if i were to try and post 10% of the threatening things he said i would be probably infracted and banned....

This guy goes straight for the heart. He attacks a mans whole pride and livelihood. Paste pictures of Op's babies online for all peado's to see? Post pics of his wife for the world to wank to? Expose his address and basically black list his name online because his investment fell through? The guy has no business or personal skills whatsoever. And, lol, mate, i have to say this (I know im running the risk of being flamed as the 'wooaah, baaadass here' but if i was your horse and you skyped that **** to me, id be at your doorstep within hours. Just sayin.

You sound like you make a lot of money through staking. Your obv doing some things right. Its ok to be firm and authoritative. But show some understanding, patience and compassion.

I'm sure mods and other 2p2 decision makers aren't taking this as lightly as you think. Takes time to discuss and make decisions. I'm sure they're weighing many options. While I'd like to see things happen a little more quickly as well, I don't take the length of time to mean anyone with 2p2 is "perfectly fine" with his actions. While I think a permaban at best or a MP ban at worst is pretty justified, I'm sure they're discussing all of that behind the scenes. Hopefully they come to a decision soon and notify the community in this thread of any outcome.

i'm guessing a lot of people here play poker here ,i know you do

so you will get this ,i have over 98% success rate at backing.sample size is over 300

not bad ah ,what do you think ?

does that excuse the few problems i have had when i was in the wrong ? no

but it is still damn decent ,in a very tough game.most don't last in this game ,most go under or give up

did you read this post ?...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=353

it seems that many are reading select parts of this thread and not seeing the bigger picture

people see "threats to his family"...and then picture me in his house killing his family

sorry to spoil the movie ,that is not even close.the threats where because he was with holding my money.so i thought i was getting scammed...what do backers do when they get scammed ?

they threaten the horse to go public .they post there facebook ,there name ,there family name etc

e.g

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2687

THAT IS ALL GUYS ,lol...no more Hollywood please

ok,it bothers you that i insulted him about being a bad dad ,point taken and you are right

but I don't see anyone being to bothered about him using scare tactics and threats to break my rules by not dropping games . this seems to be ok?look at that above link ,he admits it and it happened more than once

so i got grinded down over time ,got more and more angry.he was in games i did not want him in and he was telling me about how hard life is not being able to have money for his family/kids etc etc

so i lost it ,hot headed of course. but all i could think of was if you listened to me you would not be in this hole.so i thought it was a very bad move from him and in turn a bad move for his family...hence the bad dad comments

before you say it i know it was wrong ,but made sense to me in a rage at the time

do i treat all my other horses like this ? no ,most don't scam ,don't threaten to break rules or break rules etc

again i could get tons of people that know me online and irl to vouch for me being nice guy etc.no point ,this problem will still be the same

what i do really would not work if i was as bad as you claim and others itt.since this thread was started i had had over 20+ apps and signed 2 guys.i have a lot of guys with me right now and some are out of make up and free to go

they are staying for some reason

They're scared you will hire a hit man to kill them and their families after you smear their name....seems you have an issue realizing when a horse is not profitable anymore and dropping them...good luck with your stable slugger...maybe learn to be more encouraging and helpful than threatening and rude beyond belief...