hey i'm Daniel SN : ultimateturn i've been with demetri for allmost 6months , at start i was winning alot curshing the games after some point something happned and i was 10k in mu , he diden't care of the 10k mu , he just asked me are you playing optimal , is this you're A game , study more make some coaching focus on you're leeks and it will turn arround that's what he said , I did the best i could and it all wokred out in the end. At no point I ever had a problem with him or call me bad names and so on it's obv no 1 want's to lose money and time but that's the only thing that will happen if someone play's poker with lack of motivation / will to constant improve. Till this day demetri was straight up with me what was written in the contract stood and we both had oure best interest to make money togheter he's a solid baker and interested in players that want to improve and put in the hardwork.

And my opinion taking a job after 15k mu it's just a bad move regadless , and you say that at some point you think you're not cut to play poker ? i don't think it takes you several years to figuer that out. you are depressed and you can't see options and you want the easy way out , demetri diden't forced no1 to sign a contract you did it willing and with no restrains. man up and leave the ego asside. gl in solving it as smooth as posible.

How demetri tried to solve this situation was as he later admited wrong. I am not in a position to comment more, i as a horse never had problems with demetri and that was the point of my post.

how much did he pay you guys?

how many 2+2 accounts do you have?

I have been staked by Adrian multiple times without any problems. In my experience with Adrian he has always been professional and reasonable during good runs and bad runs.

Just linked them to the thread

I act like there boss not there friend .so I doubt any of them have got any great love for me

But I'm guessing some will just post how they see it with me

And of course I'm sure many 2+2 ers will ignore them all and focus on the few problems I had instead

My horses posting have nothing to do with this thread tbh,just highlighting I'm not the devil some are claiming I am

in my whole 6 months+ being backed by adrian (demteri1978) i have not had an issue like this..

i simply abide by the contract and rules in place, always been a professional relationship, has been good enough to me let me take shots when doing well ect. I am definitely becoming a better player under him (meeting some good players, coaching sessions and studying more)

Other things such as being understanding when i have had family/ personal issues, This is my view on demitri1978 as a backer and how he has treat me in my time with him, i have been in two staking agreements thus far since february last year and havn't had any issues with him.

Gl at the tables all , many regards,

jayme1987

^^^God this is embarrassing now. At least be more subtle about your shill posts. Anyways, Demetri. I got respect for any man who can make 75k a month, especially from poker.

Your in your thirties. Yet, your posting sounds like a spoilt teenager. Seriously mate, can you not see that the way you have threatened those guys is unforgivable? You said the worst things possible? Your in your thirties, your a man, start acting like one.

If that 75k graph is true. Then you could probably make that 100k a month if you treated your players with respect and dignity.

YOU NEED TO MAN UP, not them. You got the bankroll and the power to make ALOT of money. So stop acting like a **** when something goes wrong. Be professional and dont be a prick so much

have only been backed by demetri for about 6 weeks now, and i have no complaints, he has been consistently professional thoroughout.

he works tons and is always online whenever i need him, has sorted out coaching instantly as soon as we started the new deal and is always checking up to make sure things are going well for me. any reloads i need are always done within an hour of asking. At what he does which is backing, he is very good. Not actually sure when he sleeps though.

Ya bad move. A man with a wife and kids and no income shouldn't even consider taking a job to pay for food and rent for them. No idea what he was thinking.

But Adam please take note he took a big loan from me to play full time and then got the job after

That is wrong imo,as I gave him the loan to play full time

Problem with this thread is a lot of info can get mixed up and make me look worse than it is

And obviously if you need to pay the bills then get a job,just not in that manner

What's his flaky pastry like?

This is not in defense of demetri, but i've been playing under his stable for almost two years now and for me he's like a big brother, always pushing you to improve. He's very supportive both in and out of poker.

+ 1000 this is so lame

Car thief gets caught jacking a car and asks judge for leniency considering all the cars he didn't steal.

I know for a fact he told all his horses to do this. Id love to copy paste the msg, but to avoid putting people in it i wont.

Of course your not going to comment as any decent human being knows how he was treating that guy was disgraceful. And he only admitted he was wrong because he knew he had to as the whole community is telling him what a pos he is and he even openly admitted his apology to asylum was not genuine.

And lol getting all the horses you can to pot what a model backer you've been. Coz all that chat with asylum really looks like it was a 1 off....

Many people you back will probably overlook the way you treated this guy as many are only bothered about getting money to play poker. They can cross that bridge when they come to it is probably the mind set.

And it's unlikely you'll treat anyone the same as asylum at least for a while.
Not because you know it's wrong but because you want to continue making money from players that can't put themselves in $3 180's or w/e you are staking them in.

Hence why you are still getting plenty of applications.

At the end of the day at least this got out in the open and he can't go on treating horses like that anymore. imo letting his staking thread stand is wrong but I doubt very much it will be taken down. He should though at least get some kind of infraction and further behaviour like that should be a perma ban.

I didn't read all of the chat logs and all of the very long posts and I only skimmed the first 100 or so posts in this thread. I'm only going to weigh in on one narrow issue:



That contract is freaking terrible. Obviously no one talked to a lawyer or anyone with experience in drafting contracts. If you actually do this on a significant level where it is actually a decent sized business for you, then you might want to take some time and actually write a half decent form contract to use.

I've been backed by Demetri now for a few months.

I'm not going to deny the fact that this was handled unprofessionally, I agree with the majority view that no one should be spoken to that way in any type of working relationship and I sincerely hope lessons can be learned here.

In my experience we haven't had problems and Demetri runs a tight ship, has good chop deals and coaches/training sites on MU (which is still better than directly out of your own pocket)

Hi I'm M4mbaNegrA at pokerstars and I'm playing with Demetri since 8 months. since I started with him I have never had any problems with him, in my view is a serious and respectful person and is always available for anything. in this time I have been with 8k of mu and he has always supported me and motivated to teach and work on my game because it,I do not know the reason that led him to say those things to Asylum and we all know that has not been well and he has recognized. then they have reached an agreement and resolved the issue. but at this point, i think that's all.
I hope I hope this story ends well for both.
gl at the table

really hope nobody believes that the way demetri is acting now is how he honestly feels… obvious change in tone once the deal was reached with the horse.

what a despicable guy. feel for anyone who has to play for him. too many backers think they have slaves

In theory his players earn part of that profit, perhaps most of it based on how he is proud of his 80/20 and 90/10 type deals.

Nice to see many of the players offering support suddenly, all at the same time, a week after the thread started, and several hundred posts in - that certainly is a creative use of timing with regard for the posts having a genuine feel. Human behavior donk gonna human behavior donk.

I think demetri horses coming here telling how good he is pathetic. This is not thread about them or stable itself but this specific issue.

I personally don't care if it 1/10 players or 1/1000 players who he treat like this.

Thing what seem crazy for me is that he allow player who join stable play 215$, 55$, 33$ without some time proving he is capable win lower stakes and mentally stable to handle 1000's $ of downswings. Is this std along stables?

I have just spent the last few hours reading this thread. At first I didn't want to post anything here, but i feel you are perceiving him as some hard livings gang thug and this is how he treats all his horses. That is complete rubbish and I disagree 100%, as I have been staked by him for 10 months now and not once, has he ever disrespected me, in any way. I too, was amazed at the way he spoke to Asylum and he could definitely have gone about it in a better manner. But, I don't think anyone can say how he should approach this situation until they have been scammed the amounts he has. I think he just lost his cool here, like he did when others scammed him for large amounts, maybe some kind of accumulation tilt, where he just blew up. Same with Joker and now thought Asylum was trying to pull a move. I'm sure you guys have all lost your cool before. I know I have definitely done and said things I regret. We are human and make mistakes. He has apologized and realizes it was wrong and that's the most important thing here. Being able to spot your mistakes, rectify them and move on.

As a poker backer, you need to stand your grand, be the alpha male, not to be pushed around/ taken for a fool. Not saying Asylum was taking him for a fool, but Adrian may of thought it was leading this way and didn't want to let it go there. I feel like you guys are being a bit to hard on him, sure he went about this the wrong way, but u cant bend over and lick the horses ass for him to put in more work.

The guy runs a big stable, with decent cuts and nice reloads, even does pre-profit cashouts for guys struggling with mu.

I only play up to $22 mtt's and amassed a total of nearly $9k mu due to a downswing, accompanied by loans, coaching and training site subs. I never knew how to handle it all, he was there to push me on and let me know this was a common trend in mtt's. I'm now half way out of my MU and hopefully I'l be out of it within the next month or two. I know it'll feel great to have made it through this swing and will have toughened me up a lot as a player. I have no one else to thank apart from Demetri for making this opportunity available to me.

Demetri, I have never met you, and know nothing about this particular situation, but I hope that you realize that this is by far the most important and useful post to you in this thread, and to anyone who wants to stake people.

It is just not possible to be in charge of poker development, player psychology, accounting, and all of the other things that go into this, all at the same time.

It will drive you to the lunatic asylum, (you may be there already from the tone of this thread), and make for a hopelessly inefficient business, and not alot of fun. My inability to realize this cost me a fortune in equity and sleep.

You are clearly "oi" to turn a phrase, and need to allocate responsibilities to others. If I were to start a real staking business from scratch I would have one person in charge of accounting, another in charge of poker related matters, and another in charge of player communication and logistics.

You can't wear all of those hats at the same time and wear them all well.

Hopefully this came across as constructively as intended.